Alleged Armenian Genocide

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TP&J COM. IN CALIFORNIA
Turkish Peace and Justice Committee California
P. O. Box. 866 Sacramento, CA 95812-866 Tel: 530 297-1655 [email protected]
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Update from California legislature

Bad news:

CA Senator Wyland introduced an SB 234.
Approximately 4 year ago, former Senator Scott introduced a bill that allowed genocide survivors or their descendents to go to public school K-12 classrooms to tell their genocide stories orally. Implementation of these talks in the classroom was optional. Senator Wyland’s bill SB 234 makes it mandatory for schools to include it in their curriculum. And compensate these people (clowns) that participate in this subject.

The intention of this bill (SB 234) is to allow children to be brainwashed by the so-called genocide survivors. By putting on theatrical shows, they will brainwash and transfer their hatred to the naive and innocent American children. The end result of this bill will demonize the Turkish people and their nation.

Some people might not see the importance of this affair. Unfortunately, this occurrence is very dangerous for us (Turkish nation and its people) and for our next generation (our children). In the business world and State Capitol, I am already encountering graduates form UCLA and other schools that were brainwashed and have negative feelings against Turkey and the Turkish people.

I vigorously worked to defeat Senator Scott’s bill but couldn’t succeed. Know that we have a second chance to make our voice heard and heard clearly. We have no choice but to stop this nonsensical political bigotry. I am begging every one of you. Please take all the necessary steps to organize and fight back for the sake of our country and our next generation.

I am not going to plea for help again. I am very frustrated with chasing bill after bill; it never ends. I do not have the time and energy to do so. I have no choice but to direct my limited energy and resources to the objective. Even though in the last 12 years we did accomplish some successes, we have not overcome this problem fully, and this is frustrating me. Many times I intended to quit but the love of my country stopped me.

I am attaching bill SB 234 for your information.

In addition to SB 234, Assembly member Krekorian introduced a resolution AJR 14 relative to the Armenian Genocide. I was waiting for this resolution. This type of resolution comes up every year for approximately the last forty years. Because I knew it is coming up, I started lobbying against it since January. Before that, I volunteered for the election campaign. Every year it is getting harder for them to pass the resolution, but we were not able to stop it completely.

For some reason, our community is not sensitive on this issue. The so-called Armenian genocide resolution is the main source of fuel to start other laws and resolutions. I believe that if we can succeed to stop this so-called Armenian genocide resolution, we will be able to stop other laws and resolutions that relate to this subject.

Some might ask: what should I do? I don’t know, what is your intention and available resources? I suggest doing something such as: write a letter containing one sentence or even one paragraph; call and visit your senators and assembly members. Organize groups…..

Respectfully yours,

Karahan Mete

CURRENT BILL STATUS

MEASURE : S.B. No. 234
AUTHOR(S) : Wyland.
TOPIC : Curriculum: oral histories: genocide.
HOUSE LOCATION : SEN
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 04/13/2009

TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 04/13/2009
LAST HIST. ACTION : From committee with author\’s amendments. Read second time. Amended. Re-referred to Com. on ED. Set for hearing April 29.
COMM. LOCATION : SEN EDUCATION
HEARING DATE : 04/29/2009

TITLE : An act to amend Section 51225.3 of the Education Code, relating to curriculum.
BILL NUMBER: SB 234 AMENDED
BILL TEXT

AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL 13, 2009

INTRODUCED BY Senator Wyland

FEBRUARY 24, 2009

An act to amend Section 51225.3 of the Education Code, relating to curriculum.

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL\’S DIGEST

SB 234, as amended, Wyland. Curriculum: oral histories: genocide.
(1) Existing law requires each pupil completing grade 12 to satisfy certain requirements as a condition of receiving a diploma of graduation from high school. These requirements include the successful passage of the high school exit examination and the completion of designated coursework in grades 9 to 12, inclusive. The coursework requirements include the completion of 3 courses in social studies, including United States history and geography, world history, culture, and geography, a one-semester course in American government and civics, and a one-semester course in economics. This bill, commencing with the 2010-11 school year, would prohibit a pupil from receiving credit for passing a course in United States history and geography, or in world history, culture, and geography, without exposure in that course to an oral history component, as defined, specifically related to genocides , as specified . To the extent that school districts would be required to provide a higher level of service in order for pupils to meet this requirement, the bill would create a state-mandated local program.
(2) The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state,
reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to these statutory provisions.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes.
State-mandated local program: yes.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 51225.3 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51225.3. (a) Commencing with the 1988-89 school year, no pupil shall receive a diploma of graduation from high school who, while in grades 9 to 12, inclusive, has not completed all of the following:
(1) At least the following numbers of courses in the subjects specified, each course having a duration of one year, unless otherwise specified.
(A) Three courses in English.
(B) Two courses in mathematics.
(C) Two courses in science, including biological and physical sciences.
(D) (i) Three courses in social studies, including United States history and geography; world history, culture, and geography; a one-semester course in American government and civics, and a one-semester course in economics.
(ii) Commencing with the 2010-11 school year, a pupil shall not receive credit for passing a course in United States history and geography, or in world history, culture, and geography, world history, culture, and geography, without
exposure to an oral history component in that course, specifically related to genocides , including, but not limited to, the Darfur, Rwandan, Cambodian, Jewish Holocaust, or Armenian genocides . As used in this clause, “exposure to an oral history component” includes, but is not necessarily limited to, in-person testimony, video, or a multimedia option , such as a DVD or online video .
(E) One course in visual or performing arts or foreign language. For the purposes of satisfying the requirement specified in this subparagraph, a course in American Sign Language shall be deemed a course in foreign language.
(F) Two courses in physical education, unless the pupil has been exempted pursuant to the provisions of this code.
(2) Other coursework as the governing board of the school district may by rule specify.
(b) The governing board, with the active involvement of parents, administrators, teachers, and pupils, shall adopt alternative means for pupils to complete the prescribed course of study , which may include practical demonstration of skills and competencies, supervised work experience or other outside school experience, career technical education classes offered in high schools, courses offered by regional occupational centers or programs, interdisciplinary study, independent study, and credit earned at a postsecondary institution. Requirements for graduation and specified alternative modes for completing the prescribed course of study shall be made available to pupils, parents, and the public.
SEC. 2. If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this act contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement to local agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of the Government Code.

BILL NUMBER: AJR 14 INTRODUCED
BILL TEXT

INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Krekorian
(Principal coauthor: Assembly Member De Leon)
(Principal coauthors: Senators Cogdill and Simitian)

APRIL 14, 2009

Relative to the Armenian Genocide.

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL’S DIGEST

AJR 14, as introduced, Krekorian. Armenian Genocide: Day of Remembrance.
This measure would designate April 24, 2009, as “California Day of Remembrance for the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1923.” It would memorialize the Congress and the President of the United States to act likewise to commemorate the Armenian Genocide.
Fiscal committee: no.

WHEREAS, The Armenian people, living in their 3,000-year historic homeland in eastern Asia Minor and throughout the Ottoman Empire, were subjected to severe persecution and brutal injustice by the rulers of the Ottoman Empire before and after the turn of the 20th century, including widespread massacres, usurpation of land and property, and acts of wanton destruction during the period from 1894 to 1896, inclusive, and again in 1909; and WHEREAS, The horrible experience of the Armenians at the hands of their oppressors culminated in 1915 in what is known by historians as the “First Genocide of the Twentieth Century,” and as the prototype of modern day mass killing; and
WHEREAS, The Armenian Genocide began with the arrest, exile, and murder of hundreds of Armenian intellectuals, and business, political, and religious leaders, starting on April 24, 1915; and WHEREAS, The regime then in control of the empire, known as the \”Young Turks,\” planned and executed the unspeakable atrocities committed against the Armenian people from 1915 to 1923, inclusive, which included the torture, starvation, and murder of 1,500,000
Armenians, death marches into the Syrian Desert, the forced exile of more than 500,000 innocent people, and the loss of the traditional Armenian homelands; and
WHEREAS, While there were some Turks and others who jeopardized their safety in order to protect Armenians from the crimes being perpetrated by the Young Turk regime, the genocide of the Armenian people constituted one of the most egregious violations of human rights in the history of the world; and
WHEREAS, The United States Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, Henry Morgenthau, Sr., stated \”Whatever crimes the most perverted instincts of the human mind can devise, and whatever refinements of persecutions and injustice the most debased imagination can conceive, became the daily misfortunes of this devoted people. I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared to the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915. The killing of the Armenian people was accompanied by the systematic destruction of churches, schools, libraries, treasures of art, and cultural monuments in an attempt to eliminate all traces of a noble civilization with a history of more than 3,000 years”; and WHEREAS, In discussing World War I, President Theodore Roosevelt wrote that “… the Armenian massacre was the greatest crime of the war, and the failure to act against Turkey is to condone it … the failure to deal radically with the Turkish horror means that all talk of guaranteeing the future peace of the world is mischievous nonsense”; and WHEREAS, Winston Churchill wrote: “As for Turkish atrocities: … massacring uncounted thousands of helpless Armenians, men, women, and children together, whole districts blotted out in one administrative holocaust–these were beyond human redress”; and
WHEREAS, Contemporary newspapers like the New York Times commonly carried headlines such as “Tales of Armenian Horrors Confirmed,” “Million Armenians Killed or in Exile,” and “Wholesale Massacre of Armenians by Turks”; and
WHEREAS, Adolph Hitler, in persuading his army commanders on the eve of World War II that the merciless persecution and killing of Poles, Jews, and other peoples would bring no retribution, declared, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”; and
WHEREAS, Unlike other peoples and governments that have admitted and denounced the abuses and crimes of predecessor regimes, and despite the overwhelming proof of genocidal intent, the Republic of Turkey has inexplicably and adamantly denied the occurrence of the crimes against humanity committed by the Young Turk rulers, and those denials compound the grief of the few remaining survivors of the atrocities, desecrate the memory of the victims, and cause continuing trauma and pain to the descendants of the victims; and
WHEREAS, The Turkish Government has engaged in concerted efforts to revise history through the dissemination of propaganda falsely suggesting that Armenians were responsible for their fate in the period from 1915 to 1923, inclusive, and by the funding of programs at American educational institutions for the purpose of furthering the cause of this revisionism;and
WHEREAS, The Republic of Turkey has been condemned by Amnesty International and other human rights organizations for making free speech a crime by enacting Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code, which makes “public denigration of Turkishness … the Government of the Republic of Turkey, the judicial institutions of the State, the military or security structures ” punishable by imprisonment, and has used this device to harass, intimidate, prosecute, and imprison Turkish citizens who have written or spoken honestly about the Armenian Genocide, including Nobel Prize winning author Orhan Pamuk; and
WHEREAS, Among those charged with “denigration of Turkishness” by Turkish prosecutors for his forthright acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide was journalist Hrant Dink, and in this atmosphere of intolerance of dissent, Mr. Dink was assassinated for his views on January 19, 2007; and
WHEREAS, The accelerated level and scope of denial and revisionism, coupled with the passage of time and the fact that few survivors remain who serve as personal eyewitnesses to the indescribable brutality and torment, compel a sense of urgency in achieving formal recognition and reaffirmation of the historical truth of the Armenian Genocide; and
WHEREAS, By honoring the victims and survivors, and consistently remembering and forcefully condemning the atrocities committed against the Armenian people as well as the persecution of the Assyrian and Greek populations of the Ottoman Empire, we guard against repetition of the crime of genocide; and
WHEREAS, California has become home to the largest population of Armenians in the world outside of Armenia, including Armenian Genocide survivors and their descendants, and those citizens have enriched our state and our Nation through leadership in academia, medicine, business, law, agriculture, government, the arts, and many other worthy endeavors, and they are proud and patriotic practitioners of American citizenship; and
WHEREAS, The State of California has been at the forefront of encouraging and promoting a curriculum relating to human rights and genocide in order to empower future generations to prevent recurrence of the crime of genocide; now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Assembly and Senate of the State of California, jointly, That the Legislature of the State of California hereby designates April 24, 2009, as the “California Day of Remembrance for the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1923”; and be it further Resolved, That the State of California commends its conscientious educators who teach about human rights and genocide; and be it further Resolved, That the State of California respectfully memorializes the Congress and the President of the United States to act likewise and to formally recognize and reaffirm the historical truth that the atrocities committed against the Armenian people constituted genocide; and be it further Resolved, That the State of California calls upon the Republic of Turkey to acknowledge the facts of the Armenian Genocide and to work toward a just resolution; and be it further Resolved, That the Chief Clerk of the Assembly transmit copies of this resolution to the President of the United States, Members of the United States Congress, the Governor, and the Turkish Ambassador to the United States.

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9 responses to “Alleged Armenian Genocide”

Diana

April 19, 2009

You will be hard pressed to find an Armenian who does not have, as part of their own personal history, an Armenian Genocide story.

My four grandparents were orphaned at very young ages (4-15) in Turkey. They, and their families, were Turkish Citizens. For 94 years these former Turkish Citizens, and their descendants, have been fighting for human rights for TURKEY and the Turkish people.

The Turkish people should not be fooled by this constant campaign of denial. They should be suspicious of this. If Turkey can do this to a segment of their own citizens . . . and blatantly lie and distort the truth . . . where does it end? I submit to you that Turkey will benefit from accepting the truth and working through their own past – joniing the civilized world in stopping acts of genocide that are happening now and putting an end, finally, to barbaric acts against humanity once and for all.

(PS: I doubt you will publish my comments . . . but I hope you do)
[email protected]

April 20, 2009

Dear Diana,

Your PS “I doubt you will publish my comments . . . but I hope you do” reflects your deeply ingrained bias. You are confusing the Turks with Armenians. Armenian sites censor Turkish views, not vice versa. You can check this site to find many Armenian views we disagree with. We respond to them not censor them.

Genocide is a political claim by Armenians, not tested by courts. There is no genocide verdict, like there is on Holocaust (remember Nuremberg?) Armenian claims rest on hearsay and forgeries and they have no hope of standing up to scrutiny of a “competent Tribunal”, as foreseen by article 6 of the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide. To insist on a genocide label, when there is no court verdict, therefore, is aking to lynching. Back in the day, too, biased and angry mobs did not need court verdict; all they needed was a rope and a treee. That is exactly what you and others like you are doing right now.

Armenian claims cannot be substantiated by historical evidence. More than 69 historians signed a statemtn in 1985 saying so. They labeled it “inter communal warfare fought by Christian and Muslim irregualr forces…” This is a kind and gentle way of putting Armenian agitation, raids, feuds, terrorism, rebellions, treason, and territorial demands, that caused more than 524,000 Muslims, mostly Turks, to meet their tragic ends at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries, i.e. your predecessors.

You must ask yourself, why did the Turks and Armenians live in peaceful cohabitation in Anatolia for a millennium (that’s a thousand years) before Turks decide one day in 1915 that they hated Armenians and kill them all? Does that make sense to you?

Ask yourself, why did the Turks spare the Armenians of the Turkish capital, Istanbul, where it would have been easiest to kill all Armenians?

Why did the Turks spare Armenians of Edirne, Izmir, Maras, Halep, and many other places?

Why did the Turks exculde Armenians of Protestnat and Catholic faith? Or those who were in the employ of the Ottoman governemt? And many others?

Almost one in three Armenians was spared. Why?

Why did the Turks allow Western help to reach Armenians if Turks were so bent on killing them all?

The signs are all there. But your bias, intensified with your hatred for all things Turkish, seems to blind you to the facts.
jda

April 21, 2009

Hi Diana,

You probably thought you wrote a straightforward message reflecting not only the experience of your family, and that of millions of other Armenian., Greek, Pontian and Assyrian families without rancor or bias.

Ergun Kirlikovali disagrees, and does so with his customary Genocidal language. But that’s his job. He’s the idiotic chubby attack dog of the Turkish establishment, whose racism is constant, gleeful, breathtaking. I suggest you google his name and the word “racism” to get a dose. maybe after Martyr’s Day.

He is a man who loves Turkey so much that he does not live there, and who screams racism from the comfort of a veranda in Orange County.

The bad news for reconciliation is that he is a national officer of various Turkish American groups. They ratify and promote his Genocidal racism. He has written that Armenians of today and 1915 are “backstabbers” “traitors” “murderers” “rats” and “vermin”. These were also the favorite words of Hitler and Goebbels in describing Jews. On April 25 they will show their professed deep sympathy for the unfortunate deaths of Armenians by having a rally called “stop Armenian lies”. I doubt that a lot of people will cancel their Spring vacations to attend. I bet chubby will be on the dais.

The good news is that not all Turks agree with him. His idiotic views are rejected by a growing number of Turkish scholars, including Fikret Adanir, Taner Akcam, Selim Derengil, Engin Akarli, Halil Berktay, Yektan Turkyilmaz, Umit Ungor and Fatma Gocek.

Read an account of his acts at http://www.akcamintrouble.blogspot.com.
Diana

April 22, 2009

Dear Ergun:

You should read the book, “Armenian Golgotha” by Grigoris Balakian. I think it will help you see the truth.

Also, the Armenian sites censor for foul language that is popular with some young people, unfortunately.
[email protected]

May 9, 2009

Diana,

And you should read: “Houshamatyan of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Centennial, Album-Atlas, Volume I, Epic Battles, 1890-1914 (The Next Day Color Printing, Inc., Glendale, CA, U.S.A., 2006)”
to see the faces of Armenian terrorists and falsifiers who brought the Armenians nothing but misery.

JDA, a.k.a “the rat in ararat” , is back, I see. His racist remarks and insulkts were not really missed, but I think it is good to show to the world the real face of those backstabbing, lying, cursing ingrates. JDA writes under fake names, sometimes several in the same column and same hour, fabricating a fake argument showing how right Armenians are. That is why I nicnamed him: the Pinnocchian !

I cannot not decide what to call him now: the rat in ararat or Pinnocchian ?
Diana

May 19, 2009

It’s useless to continue down the path of denial. No sane and educated person believes this stupidity coming from some Turks and Turkey. I am always amazed that so many of the so-called historians are themselves Jewish Turks, but I digress.

You can’t continue to deny what is fact. It just reflects badly on you. And there is a great difference between defending yourself from tyranny and being a terrorist. Certainly my grandparents were not terrorists at ages 4-15. Give me a break.

Finallly, how can Turkey deny the thousands of bones found in the Syrian desert in recent years by an oil company digging there . . . and why, you might ask, did the Syrian Government contact the Armenian Church so they could collect the bones . . . and why, you might ask, did they offer them some land to bury them.

You are just being foolish now.
Robert

May 21, 2009

Diana…I see that a response is needed to your uneducated charges. Note that I don’t bother responding to boorish buffoons such as JDA. He is simply a waste of time. As for you, during the relocation (made necessary thanks to the Armenian Dasnak traitors forming a fifth colunm within the Ottoman military ranks to help the Czar and his Russian forces, then going into numerous villages and ultimately massacring 518,000 Turks (leading to the final death counts of 2.5 million Turks, Georgians, Greeks, Persians, Kurds, Tartars, Azeris, Arabs, Jews…Moslems and non-Moslems alike!)), hundreds of thousands of people were relocated along the same route. Many more Muslims died than Armenians ever did during this relocation process! When people died (Armenians, Muslims, etc.), they were burried in common graves TOGETHER! That is why one may discover mixed groups of bodies (skeletal remains) in any number of these unearthed graves! Many of these bodies had religious Moslem artifacts and pieces of characteristic clothing, along with remains of the Koran. Some others had Christian artifacts found with them, such as crucifixes. In all, since they were mostly all burried together, to say that these remains were all Armenian is not only ludicrous and unprofessional, but highly disrespectful to the families of the non-Armenian remains which are included in the finds!

You mention your grandparents. Not knowing them, I couldn’t comment on whether they were terrorists or not. Keep in mind however, that even ten year old Armenians assisted the Dashnaks in their genocide against the Turks and Turkic peoples. In addition, Armenians LOVE to make accusations ad nauseum! They relish in only discussing “what happened to them”! Diana…my grandfather, and what was left of his entire family, relatives, friends and neighbors were some of the few survivors of the massacres committed by the Armenians against the Turks at Van (where Dashnaks murdered 25,000 Turks within two days), Kars, Erzurum, Erzincan, etc. Why do Armenians refuse to talk about these accounts? The answer is simple enough…TO DO SO WOULD REVEAL THE TRUTH TO THE WORLD (TOO MANY QUESTIONS WOULD THEN BE RAISED), AND THE DASHNAKS CAN NEVER ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR! Luckily, they were able to write down and carefully document everything that they had witnessed and survived! These documents are now housed in the archives in Turkey, for all the world to read! Which brings me to my next point Diana…Of all the world’s archives, why are the only ones that are still CLOSED to the public/world, the ones in Yerevan, Armenia and the Armenian Revolutionary Archives (established in 1886) located in Boston, MA? What are they hiding? What are they afraid of?

Finally, before you dis Turkey and Turks, you really need to take a good, hard look at Armenia…MISSY!!! Ask yourself why thousands of Armenian citizens are constantly fleeing Armenia and heading to Turkey (where many choose to stay and make it their new home), when they could just as easily immigrate to any other country? Armenia is a religiously repressed nation, with one of the most corrupt governments in the world! It is dominated by the Orthodox church who rules with an iron hand (if your an Armenian and wish to practice any other faith (Christian, etc.), the church will excommunicate you immedeately!). Learn something before you speak Diana! For now…it is YOU who is just being foolish!!
Muhsin Karas

May 24, 2009

Dear Diana,

You are talking about brutalism that the Turks applied to your grandparents. Why don’t you question the fact that Armenians were the most privileged ethnic group in the Ottoman Empire, so much so that even the court members were asking the Armenian architects to design and construct their mosques? Something bad from the Armenian side must have been committed so that those unfortunate incidents happened. Please ask yourselves.
GNP

May 27, 2009

Mushin:

Armenians did enjoy a privileged status because they worked hard and earned great reputations. This is the same as the Jews in Germany. It was (partially) because of jealousy of Turkish success that led the nationalist element in Turkey to develop a hatred toward the successful Armenians — just like the Nazis did against the Jews.

Robert, Ergan:

No serious scholar agrees with your position. That should tell you something. Lemkin — the man who invented the term genocide — invented the term based on the Turkish massacre of Armenians. What could be stronger than that? The international community at the time knew what was happening and was in the process of bringing charges against the orchestrators of the Armenian Genocide, but where sidetracked by other nationalistic goals (same as today, incidentally). Even the New York Times in 1915 reported that the murder of Armenians was “systematic” and “organized by the government,” both are elements of genocide.

Please don’t talk about human rights in Armenia. In Turkey, even the use of the word “genocide” to describe the Armenian massacres is a crime. Kurds live in misery and fear to speak their language and practice their culture. Meanwhile, in Armenia, Kurds fluorish as the largest minority and are treated with respect like normal citizens. Turkey’s racism is still evident. There is no way to describe Turkish citizens who are not of Turkish blood. You use the word “Turk,” which is ethnic, instead of “Turkiyeli” which could be used to describe Turkish citizens who are not Turks. A Greek, Kurd, or Armenian living in Turkey could never be considered a “Turk,” even thought they are citizens of Turkey. Of course, for every OTHER country, you have words to describe this: Yunanli (Greek), Ermenili (Armenian), etc.

Also, why has Turkey been so secretive about the archives for all these years? NOW, they say they will open them up (after, of course, having almost 100 years to purge the records).

Turkiye: Yalanci, Yalanci, sana kimse inanmaz….

Alleged Armenian Genocide

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