Are the same Turks and Armenians who were just yesterday inseparable today enemies?

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mark mustianTurkey, which was made aware of the sensitivity surrounding the Armenian issue throughout the world through attacks by the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), continues to be caught unprepared every year as to how to shape its approach towards the events of April 24.

Turkey, which is on the verge of losing this particular battle, at least in the academic sense, has carried on with this struggle mostly through closing its borders and engaging in verbal clashes with the Armenian diaspora. And now it is quite clear that neither of these tactics have gained much for Turkey. As for Turkey’s efforts with its neighboring countries and with the Armenian diaspora, these have only resulted in the entrance of new genocide bills onto the agenda as well as more pressure from various countries interested in Turkey. In particular, the annual increase in curiosity and expectations concerning what approach the US will embrace on the issue is literally exhausting the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Another factor pushing Turkey into a dead end in the international arena is its lack of public diplomacy efforts aimed at Armenia, as well as the fact that it has not created alternative Turkish lobbying groups in countries where the Armenian lobby is already strong. The fact that April 24 fell on the same day as Easter this year gave Armenians a great opportunity to show their religious and national feelings even more strongly than usual. And in Turkey, the influential rallies that have taken place with regard to this matter show that it is now time to take up the issue with some prudence and level-headedness.

Can the healthy communication skills lacking between Turkey and Armenia instead be formed between Turkey and the latter’s diaspora population?

Mutual efforts

In countries where the Armenian lobby and diaspora are influential, there are frequent Turkish efforts to hold joint festivals, programs and other sorts of meetings with these Armenian groups. Even though it is not constant, Turkey quite regularly tries to create an atmosphere of dialogue with certain Armenian groups. And though political efforts can only go so far, it is the wide network of civil society organizations that can pick up the slack here, succeeding where states are unable. In the very near future, civil society organizations look set to show their influence in helping to find solutions to shared problems. We, too, with our initiatives in the civil society branch of things, are closely examining the Armenian community in the US and working to help create a joint dialogue.

The shared thoughts of most Armenians, regardless of when they arrived in the US, has to do with Turkish acceptance of its historic mistakes, and opening up the way forward for regional cooperation. Lawyer and writer Mark Mustian, whose forefathers came around 200 years ago from Ottoman soil to the US, also thinks this way. The fact that his ancestors, who came to the US to take advantage of the wealth of opportunity there, preserved, at least to some extent, their Armenian identities is what imbues Mustian today with a sense of responsibility towards his fellow Armenians. Mustian, who practiced law for many years in Florida, started writing a novel some years ago about the breaking asunder of the Turkish and Armenian communities. The novel, titled “The Gendarme,” was finished in seven years and then published in the US, France, Spain, Greece, Israel, Italy, Brazil and the UK. Mustian, who says the reason he wrote this book was his own personal sense of discomfort with how the Armenian community in the US lives in ignorance regarding its own history and identity, notes 70 percent of the Armenian diaspora constantly brings historical matters onto the agenda, while another 10 percent live completely ignorant of what the Armenian identity really is. He notes also that the other 20 percent or so maintain moderate approaches to historical matters and identity questions. Mustian, who says he has visited Turkey but has never had the chance to go to Armenia, asserts that he loves Turkey very much and when it comes to the question of relations with Armenia — both Ankara and Yerevan must act on their own accord. He also believes open borders between Turkey and Armenia will improve cultural interactions and that many problems would be solved faster than currently believed.

Vasken Hagopian and Zohrap Hovsapian are two Armenians who live in Florida and embrace moderate approaches to the topic of relations with Turkey. Hagopian, whose ancestors are from Adana, still works as a professor at the Florida State University in the department of physics and astronomy. During World War I, Hagopian’s family lost many of its members, and the family migrated from Turkey to Syria, Lebanon, France and Greece. His father had worked in churches on Ottoman soil and wrote many of his memories of this period in a book. Hagopian characterizes the relations between Armenia and its diaspora as being “ongoing based on assistance,” and also notes he finds it unlikely Turkey will be admitted to the European Union. Hagopian also says he finds it unthinkable that these two ancient civilizations and peoples could be living right next to one another but be unable to develop a dialogue. He also asserts that it is simply not possible that Armenia could politically make any demands for land from eastern Anatolia.

Not without dialogue

As for Hovsapian, his family comes from Silvan in the province of Diyarbakır. The five people from his family that survived the war era emigrated from Syria to France. The elders in his family not only published their own memories of this period, but also changed their surname from Keshishian, which they had used on Ottoman soil, to Hovsapian. As Hovsapian sees it, today’s world is impossible to live in for anyone unwilling to enter into dialogue. Hovsapian, who also asserts that the Soviet Union eliminated national consciousness, says that for him Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points are very important. These principles stress that for nations of people to offer up their fates to states or to have their fates taken from their hands by these same states is very unfair. Hovsapian, who we learn has many friends in Turkey, believes that it is of vital importance that Turkey develop its relations with Armenia in the near future, and that both countries get involved in shared projects. He is quite sure that Turkey and Armenia, working together, can achieve great success. In the end, both of these men state that peace without dialogue is impossible and that everyone must do their part in bringing about progress on this front.

Over time, these two communities of Turks and the Armenians, who have been so closely linked — as neighbors, countrymen, classroom friends, in-laws and work colleagues — have experienced a distancing from one another as a result of a 100-year break, but this break has not managed to erase the traces of 1,000 years of togetherness. The preconceptions brought about by political approaches on both sides have invested both sides with much hesitation as to which steps to take. On one hand, you have nations of people unable to form dialogues, while on the other hand you have diaspora groups that cannot seem to meet in the middle; these factors are causing the whole matter to continue as a sort of an incurable syndrome. To rid itself of this syndrome, Turkey needs to increase its public diplomacy towards Armenia, as well as take steps that will work for Armenians in both the East and the West. Because what Armenia really needs these days are words on the topic of possible cooperative efforts, not on conflict or disagreement. In any case, it is quite clear to whom all this enmity is really causing damage and to whom it is advantageous.

Mehmet Fatih ÖZTARSU – Today`s Zaman


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    Everybody must acnowled that Armen problom for the world is started while Armens was embarking the Noah s ship they sliped-away from the line and hand -sked with the Lucifier ( the devil-the seytan ) and got the Lucifier virus….. HERE IS MORE EDUCATIONAL EXPLANATIONS WHAT WAS THE DEAL and HOW etc, PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF IT and YOU WILL BE GLAD TO MEET THE DEVIL (the armens or the Armedmans whicever comes first )

    Easy steps with explanations (educational)n for the DUMMIES ;About human misery in the world and how it works with the anti-Moses Jews and anti-Jesus Christians ( became joint venture and blessed by the anti-Moses Rabbies and anti-Jesus Priests) Here is the formula and how equals to the Lucifier (the devil ,the seytan ) ANTI-MOSES JEWS plus ANTI-JESUS CHRISTIANS equals THE LUCIFIER (this is THE FORMULA ) (Turkcesi ; Ruh yapisi gelismemis insanlarin dunyadaki muzurluklarinin nereden geldigini aciklayan basit ornekler deki bas aktor olan anti-musali yahudi ve anti -isali hiristiyan ve de onlarin anti-musali Hahambaslari ve anti-isali papazlarinin musterek olarak bunu bile entrikalarla paraya ceviren sirketler (masa altindan veya masa ustunden olan mafia tarzi) konumunda yurutmeleri FORMUL le aciklanmistir ve formul soyle cikmistir ANTI-MUSALI YAHUDI arti ANTI-ISA LI HIRISTIYAN esittir SEYTAN (Iste dunyadaki muzurluklar bu formulle yuruyor) Asagidakiler egitimsel maksatli olup insan muzurlugunu (( insan icindeki seytani )) de-sifre eden cok yonlu aciklamalar olup bedavadir.Izin almaya gerek yoktur.Dunya capinda iyi bir insanliga yol gosterme amaclidir…….
    HEAD START UNLIMITED ART PROJECTS TO THE ANTI-MOSES JEWS and ANTI-JESUS CHRISTIANS AND WHERE TO DISPLAY THEM RIGH TFULLY ( The Proper place to displace is top of the Mount Ararat next to the NOAH s ARK (Nuhun Gemisi )) THE THEMA OF THE ART ( KONU ) When the armens was embarking the NOAH s ship they hand sake with THE LUCIFIER (the devil – the seytan ) the geeting host for the ship ……They got THE GRAND DEED (tapu ) of the region and in return they had the kill their ship mates and anybody elses beside them around Mt.Ararat and around that region and also THEY HAVE TO SPREAD THE LUCIFIER VIRUS (seytan mikrobu ) AROUND THE WORLD and ayrica Ortodoks kiliselerinin de sadece ortodokuz cekmeleri icin kullanilmasi sart kosulmus mus that deal still is going on as we speaking now. (agri-Dagi ismini boylece BUTUN AGRILARIN geldigi yer olmasindan almistir….Turk dilindeki essiz ve bir cok yerlerde hakli ve manidar isimlerinden ,sifreli , nedenlerinin gizliligine , en guzel bir ornek ,her zaman incelemege alinirsa aciklik getiren , hedefli ve nedeni olan , gizemli deyisler.le dolup tasarlar….). and now ,as we are speaking . continue ,.Also , that is why Mt.Ararat , so important to them(you see since Noah Ark , they killed ,lots of NON-Armes, (therefore KAN TUTMASI etkisi altinda kaldilar….)
    Unfortunatelly,their mess backed by the Ortodoxs priests and they are only limited , blessing the mess only… so, they can pocket money too…(Ortadokuz cekmekle mesguller…) ((( ATTENTION ; Zillions reasons why everybody MUST LEARN TURKISH ……pure,simple, and NO OTHER LANGUAGE SAME AS TURKISH and 100 percent phonotic (only language in the earth which means 100 percent write the same and read it as you write ….) and even trying to translate of meaning of the someting in TURKISH to the other languages IT CAN NOT BE SAME AS TURKISH WHAT IT MEANS 100 PERCENT ACCURACY FOR THAT PERSON HEAD START .(( Hedefi 12 den vuran TURKCE ve kisinin dunyada en ust kaliteli bir insan olmasina yarari))Another word you be lucky try to explain half an hour approxcimetly what that means generally in other languages etc… GUES WHO ELSES YOU MIGHT HAVE FUN WITH IT http://www.milliyet.com.tr/sok-eden-turkce-iddiasi/yasam/sondakika/09.06.2010/1248660/default.htm

    Since 1453 (finishing corrupt Christian anti-Jesus Byzantin empire ) the Turks shaped -up ISTANBUL (GOD indicating in THE KORAN to be finished like the JEROCO , SINNERS CITY and WALLS FALL DOWN and destroyed BY THE GOD which mentioned in OLD TESTAMENT ) and presented to the world with along whereever they haven been in throught in human history.as usual….. The Turks made up from mixture of 12 tribes of ABRAHAM ( according to GOD an WHAT DOES IT MEANS TO YO U and you should be belong there too (( NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE From Ataturk suddenly said himself in high spirit while he was fighting evil anti-moses jews and anti-jesus christians and even without him realize fully extent of the projects how the God selected him for many things for his purposes to be continue – Highly recommended to read his all speaches -NUTUKS in Turkish )) .Recently Scientices finding IN GENOMS EVERBODY RELATING THE TURKS and even DOGS SPREADED THE WORLD WITH TURKS (central Asia todays Gobi Desert) even the DOGS LOVED THE TURKS and find shaltered and became loyal to the turks AND SPREADED THE WORLD WITH THEM whereever Turks went if you have gots to belive reality and not with the LUCIFIER (devi) ) (as a collections of from those free spirtited peoples and chosen by the GOD AND LABELED AS TURK ,TURKIC TRIBES known to the world ) ( THE GOD same GOD translating arabic called Allah shown in old and new testament and KORAN ) and Turks chosen by the God to step-on the tails of the anti-moses jews and anti-jesus Christians (devil-seytan server ) TO BE ABLE TO CONTERSEPT AS A CATALIZER FOR THE WORK OF THE GOD (Good vesus Evil Also written in old and New Testament and The KORAN God said that GOOD SHALL OVERCOME THE DEVIL ) FOR THE WORLD PEACE BALANCE (Ataturk even said PEACE AT HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD without knowingly fully religious aspect of it why and you see i have not seen him with TURBAN like religious scholar or in pretending giving shows like others at all and He was straigth TURKISH without knowing full extent of HOW GOD LOVED HIM SO MUCH and I BET ON IT ON THE OTHER HAND JUST LOOK LIKE OTHER PEOPLE Like Demonized poeople which hates Turks and they dont know they are under THE LUCIFIER (the Devil and still call theirself religos and kill theirselfd and you ).Any person or country against TURK or TURKIC ethnics YOU ARE UNDER DEVIL MEANS Because you are fooling yourself also as explained above (this is like breaking codes and explaining beetween the good and Evil ) beside of anything else called DEVIL ACT and always say opposite and do opposite of this (explained in old testament for jews and explained in New testament (for second chance for jews and Christians AND THE KORAN IS REPAITING BOTH OF IT AS FINAL WARNINGS TO THE MANKIND (not limited only moslems in Arabs which the same God used them as vehicle just did for the jews from the begining ) OFCOURSE God warned the man you have a supernatural company called THE LUCIFIER and will always will oppose to you and THE GOD ( Man Tested in Heaven with apple story (symbolic) and also named that WISDOM OF TREE ( what was mean of it is if you bypassing the honesty and you will BECOME A SMART ASS while you are being there and do not be against the perfect hormany of the universal laws with along the full privalage was giving to you . As seen throught human history Turks and Turkic tribes used from God as a back-up TO BE ENCOUNTER THE ANTI_MOSES JEWS AND ANTI -JESUS CHRISTIANS WITH ALL COST ( GOD s WILD CARD ) without even them noticed why and The devil in them labaled the Turks as Barbarians while they were the barbarians WHICH THEY FORGOT THE QUICK GUIDELINE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS EVEN and THE TURKS AND TURKIC TRIBES DID NOT KNOW EXCATLY -FULLY of their HOLLY TRAIL for the same God as we speak know (the Koran giving some clues on that and SMILING with lots of complementary ways ) My writing doe not intent one of those man-make (devil infulunce ) promotion over one to another .How many man goes under the devil and do evil acts and still claims with that religion and say he or she was with the same God again and again and hides behind the Lucifier (devil-Seytan) with a mask REMEMBER GOD WARNED YOU FOR and THIS WAITING CHALLANCE and ADDED QICK GUIDLINE which called THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (only ten centences) which jews Christians and Moslems ARE BINDING WITH IT without braging on their eachother details might kick-in THE LUCIFIER. unplesantly and kills the both side ……..In same God words everything outlined what is what and what will happen when you do not And NO SURPRISES AT ALL . THE WORLD EVENTS SHOWING That anti-Moses jews and anti-Jesus Christians became life line for THE LUCIFIER .You do not go to Moslem yet and .Pay attantions and LOOK the first (jews) and second (christians ) in orderly fashion remember who got the ten commandment first and who claiming to be first Christians (armens) and brags about it (ARMENIANS also known ORTODOKS ORTODOKS CHURCH ) and also Remember Anti-jesus Christians even VATICAN (roman catolic church ) altered bible recor ds etc. Both catogory churches made THE CRUSEDES (hacli seferleri) etc. THE POINT IS FIRST AND SECOND COMBINATIONS FAILED and STILL FAILING REPEAT AND UNDER THE LUCIFIER with man editions which comes with devil WHEN YOU ARE AWAY THE CHECK LIST THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ….You see two beggining stage of the groups continue to be under violations before and now and helping eachother under the devil Unless they stop their LUCIFIER (devil act) The Turks and the Moslems not to be attacked or say against them (They are usually in self defence motions against these two group…and also their bookTHE KORAN covering old and new testamant Makes them no threat if you go with the TEN COMMANDMENT in the first place without devil in you ) Tracing the history of man since Adam an Eve (Adem ve Havva ) What I mean is always these two group active and third is in defensive position as we seen today BUT GOD WARNING IS TRANSLATES THAT IF THE third one as group and allys altogether respons in counter attack In the lucifier game (devil wish everrybody must kill eachother ) THAT WILL BE END OF THE WORLD and EVERYBODY LOSES and no more chances left ……. SO ,THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT MESS WITH EVEN THE WORD of TURK or TURKIC ETHNICS ( Because as indicated above TURK and TURKIC ETHNICS througout man kind without even they are aware completly THEY ARE CHOSEN AS A WILD CARD BY THE SAME GOD as counterbalance to the anti-moses jews and to the anti-jesus christians ) AS WE SEE the from start the HORNY ONES are still beeing tool the Lucifier lifeline which are THE ANTI -MOSES JEWS and anti-jesus christians ) The Turks and Turkic Ethnics are before and recent landlords of the jews Christians (ortodoxs ARMENS ) terotories WITH THE GOD PURPOUSE , BECAUSE YOU ARE SCREWED-UP and WERE NOT LIVING-UP TO THE TEN COMMANDMET ANY WAY and YOU ARE EVICTED and NEW SHERIFF IS IN TOWN..(even old testemant writes IF YOU BE GOOD I HEALE YOUR LAND ).. THAT IS WHY TURKS .THEY DID SLAMED IN YOUR FACE AND DID and STILL DOING HOUSE CLEAN-UP FOR THE SAKE OF THE WORLD and FOR THE GOD SAKE……… Are you still disagree , look anti-moses jews are still are pimping the world ,and . also, So called bragging about fist christians ( ARMENS ) doing same and also from time to time , anti-Moses jews joint attack the Turks and Turkic tribes-Nations , together with the Armens . OFCOURSE , sometime they pretending to the Turks friendly and get ready for other evil thing to do etc. UNDER THE LUCIFIER (the devil -Seytan ) ( Seytan durtmesi) They use , churces , for whearhouse , for evil purpuse and masking it with religon , TO DECIVE YOU .. SO , WHAT WE HAVE HERE,AFTER ALL as a result , when the armens was embarking the NOAH s ship they hand sake with THE LUCIFIER (the devil – the seytan ) the geeting host for the ship ……They got THE DEED (tapu ) of the region and in return they had the kill their ship mates and anybody elses beside them , around the Mt.Ararat (Agri Dagi) and around that region and also ,part of the deal with THE LUCIFIER , THEY HAVE TO SPREAD , THE LUCIFIER VIRUS AROUND THE WORLD and that deal are still going on , as now., with the combinations of devil groupigs. as indicated above.)……REMEDIES for anti-moses jews and anti-jesus christians is has to follow AS INDICATED BELOW ; (They HOLD THE BAG first , from the God and do not look to the Turks and the moslems yet . before than (you must be complied the ten commandments , first , yourself ) , IF YOU DO NOT , (what means is , still , THE DEVIL GOT YOU ) and they do not know , while they are the devil , they will point to the Turks and the Turkic tribes -Nations , as a devil , etc. KAPISSSS) since , they (moslems) also , know THE TEN COMMENDMENTS .. but , you , got the bag , first ( God gave you first now you have liability ) you (anti-moses jews and anti-Jesus christians ) are subject to showing , the first , good or evil acts etc. ………and also , secondly , recommended you all , LISTEN the http://www.yayinonline.com/radyo/Anadolunun_Sesi.asp# ANADOLUNUN SESI RADYOSU. Anadolunun topragindan ve her kosesinden fiskiran ve asirlaca sizin de parcanizin oldugu ( kaybolmus baglantiniza geri donus ) ve halk muzikleri ve degisik calgi aletleri , deyisler ve soylesileri ile STERIO olarak 24 saat yayindadir.Bos olan bataryanizi , zem zem suyu gibi , ruh boslugunuzu doldurmaniz ve beyin dalgalarinizin duzeni icin , calisirken ve uyurken dinlemeniz tavsiye edilir ( + ) isareti tuslanirsa ses yukselir (—) isareti tuslanirsa ses azalir ( sterio ayarlamasi ) ….THE LUCIFIER , The Formula and THE RULE of the Devil MUST BE OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH and REPEAT IT LIKE BROKEN RECORD ( THE PERSON WHO EXPOSED TO THE LUCIFIER ( SHOWING THREE SIGNS and explained in the God book as followes;

    (( SEYTAN DURTMESI atasozu )) ORTODOKSLAR VE ANTI-MUSA LILAR ( On Emir e karsi olanlar ) YANI BIZE KARSI ( Allah in dogrusuna karsi) SEYTAN ETKISIN DE KALARAK ORTADOKUZ CEKMEYE CALISIYORLAR …. VE OYLE KI INSANLAR ASIRLARCA , BILMEDEN ve BILINMEDEN ve BILMEK ISTEMEDEN ……. (seytan durtmesi ) (atasozu )
    ALLAH DEMIS KI ;
    1) Dogruyu gosterince , seytan etkisinde olanlarin gozunu ,perde orter
    2)Dogruyu soyleyince , seytan etkisinde olanlarin kulagi ,sagir gibi olur.
    3) SEYTAN ETKISINDE OLANLAR , DOGRUYU SOYLEYEMEZ ,KABUL EDEMEZ,TERSINDEN GIDER , KIRIK PLAK GIBI TEKRARINI YAPAR….. Rahatsizlik duyar …. Tam tersini soyler ( Lucifier virus =seytan mikrobu nun yan etkisi ,altinda kalmak ..,,yuksek ates ile kivranan insan …Zambi gibi aramizda dolasanlar…seytana masa olanlar..digerlerini uzenler..vesaire)
    (( SEYTAN DURTMESI atasozu )) ORTODOKSLAR VE ANTI-MUSA LILAR ( On Emir e karsi olanlar ) YANI BIZE KARSI ( Allah in dogrusuna karsi) SEYTAN ETKISIN DE KALARAK ORTADOKUZ CEKMEYE CALISIYORLAR …. VE OYLE KI INSANLAR ASIRLARCA , BILMEDEN ve BILINMEDEN ve BILMEK ISTEMEDEN ……. (seytan durtmesi ) (atasozu )
    ALLAH IN SUPRIZI (anti-Musali lara ve anti-Isa li Hiristiyan lara…). ( ALLAH IN SECTIGI TURKLER , DOGRU YOLDA , GECMISTE KANLAR DOKME PAHASINA , YOLDAN CIKMISLARA HATIRLATMA …)
    ( Turkler, Ibrahim (Abraham) in cocuklari olup, 12 kabileden birisidir…Tevrat ta bahsi gecen kayip kabile, (Turkler ) ( isim verilmiyor, fakat ,Turklerden baskasi gorulemiyor ve her zaman ve her olayda insanlik tarihinde …Yani gosterge, her zaman ,TURKLERI ve Turkic kabile -Turk devletlerini ( Cin sirindan bugunku Turkiye ye kadar) Gosteriyor , baskalari cikmiyor , Insanlik tarihinde . Seytanin kuyruguna basmak, gormemezlikten gelenlerin , gozune sokmak , Madrabazlik ta israr eden ve seytanlik yapanlarin kicina sokmak….ve yoldan cikmis , oteki kabilelere ve seytana yol gostermesi icin Allah in sectigi kabile Turkler ve Turk kabileleridir…vesaire…) ( Allah in Son Kutsal Kitabi Kuran da ve Allah in son peygamberi Muhammed in hadislerinde de Turklerin ismi bir cok kere acik ve ustu kapali olarak geciyor… Tevrat taki kayip kabile gizemi nide boylece desifre etmis oluyor ( Anlayan saz caliyor anlamayan kaz caliyor -_Atasozu) . ve anti-musali yahudi ve anti-musali ve anti- Isa li hiristiyanlari sucluyor …. Onlara Verdigi cezalari hatirlatiyor ,Tevrat ve Incil deki gosterdiklerini tekrar ediyor ve son eklemelerini de butun dunya daki insanlari kapsiyarak , son sozlerini bitiriyor ) ( Allah, Kuran nin son kitabi oldugunu ve melek Cebrail ( Angel Gabriel ) tarafindan , Peygamber Muhammed e ilettigini ve Tevrat ve Incil de gosterdiklerini , yazdiklarini ve ikazlarini ve butun peygamberlerini, hatirlatiyor ( Adem ve Havva dahil ) ve Kuran in insanlara en son kitabi oldugunu ve peygamber Muhammed in en son peygamberi oldugunu ikaz ediyor ( yalanci peygamberlerin gelecegini ve yalanci dinlerin olacagini ( Budizim vesaire -yani insanin insana veya ineklere tapmasi ve onun gibi insan veya hayvanlari tanri secip tapmasi ve din olarak ve peygamber olarak gostecegini ve onlara inanmamanizi ikaz ediyorVerdiklerini,Allah in yolunda kullanmayani ,Seytan yolunda olanlari cehennemde sonsuz olarak kisinin hic bitmeden yanacagini soyluyor . Cehennem atesinin ,dunyadaki ates gibi olmadigini ve imali olarak gunesin binlerce katinda ki bir derece oldugunu ima ediyor …..Dogru yolda calisanlari ve Allaha hizmet edenlere bu dunyada ve oldukten sonra , Cennet ( rahatlik )hediye edecegini garantiliyor…..
    SONUCLAR ;
    ;
    1) TURKLER VE TURK KABILELERI Tevrat ta gizemli olarak , Kayip Kabile , ( Ibrahim in 12 kabilesinden biri ) olarak geciyor
    2) O zamandan , Muslumanligi secene kadar Turkler , bilmeden, Kayip Kabile ,olarak , Allah icin ,Anti-Musali yahudi ve oteki anti-musa li kabilelere karsi… hurriyet , dogruluk , savasi vermisler ve devam etmekteler………
    3) TURKLERIN , MUSLUMANLIGI , NASIL ILGINC OLARAK SECISI ve SEYTANI ( Anti-Musali insanlari ) CILDIRTMASI ;
    ( Tevrat ve 10 Emir disinda yasayan anti-musali yahudiler ve yoldan cikmis Ibrahim in oteki Kabilelerinin de ciddi olarak yola gelmesi icin , Allah in gonderdigi bakire Meryem den dogan ve yine de, yahudi olan, peygamber Isa nin getirdigi Incil (Tevrat in devami olan Incil Hiristiyanlarca beraber okunur ayni kitapta ve Musa peygamber de yahudi idi.) ( Kuran hepsini icine aliyor ve kapliyor ve herkese agabeylik yapan (big brother ) konumunda ve Allah in son sozleri) (Kuran , hic bir zaman Incil gibi, insan tarafindan degistirilmemistir)
    Buna ragmen , yine de Anti_musali ve Anti-Isa li yasayanlar cogunlukta ve Hacli seferleri yapiyorlar. _ (( (isa , onlara , Allah in 10 emri de hatirlattigi halde ,onlarin cogu , anti-musali yahudi ve gentile christians ( =yahudi donmesi hiristiyan ve hiristiyanligi kabul etmis ) olanlardi,)) ANTI MUSALI VE ANTI-ISA LI HIRISTIYANLAR ONUNE GELENI KESIYOR yani YAHUDI ,MUSLUMAN ARAPLAR ,CINGENE, TURK, LAZ ,KAZ VESAIRE ,,,, BUTUN DIGER KABILELERI , KUDUSE VARANA KADAR ..
    .BU SIRALARDA , TURKLER ,VE DIGER TURK KABILELERI , HACLI SEFERLERI YAPANLARLA YUZ YUZE GELDI , NASIL DINLERI VE NE ICIN OLDURDUKLERINE BAKILDI VE SAHTE HIRISTIYAN OLDUKLARINI VE TERSINI YAPTIKLARINI (seytanlasmis olduklaini ) GORDULER VE AYNI ZAMANDA MUSLUMAN ARAPLARIN , MUSA VE ISA ILE YASADIKLARINI DA GORUNCE , TURKLER ve TURKIC ULUSLARI , MUSLUMANLIGI SECTI ve HERKESE DAHA COK AGABEYLIK YAPTI VE KORUDU ( bIg brother) VE ANTI_MUSALI YAHUDI VE ANTI-MUSALI HIRISTIYANLARA, ALLAHIN TOKADINI ATTI , DIGERLERINI UZDUKLERI ICIN ( osmanli tokadi =sopa = falakaya yatirmak = disiplin olana kadar denemek – Sopa cennetten cikmadir (atasozu ) derler , Bu Atasozu IYI NIYETIN DIKKATE ALINMASI yani HERKESIN GOZUNU ACMASI IKAZIN DA OLUP ,SON SANS bir toplum ceza metodu olarak SOPA nin gelmesini beklemeyin IYI NIYETINI TASIR ( insan icindeki seytan , bunun manasini tersine cevirir suphesiz ve kirli islerinin devamini yapacak enayileri , cogaltmaya bakar ve iki tarafa da zarar vermek ister Buna daha yakin izah Allahin kitabi da olan Tevrat kitabi zamanin da ON EMIR Musa tarafindan Allah la gonderilmisti ve ON EMIR den bir madde olan ZINA YAPMA emri Haham Basi ( Chief Rabbie) tarafindan toplum duzenini korumak icin zina yapani toplum onunde tas atarak oldurmeye cevrilmisti. Yani ALLAH boyle oldurun dememisti. Yani ON EMIR den oteki madde ise OLDURMIYECEKSIN diye yazar . Yani sonuc olarak eskiden Turkler bunu SOPA ve FALAKA ya yatirmaya cevirmisler Taslayarak oldurme yerine (Toplum duzenini korumak ve kotu aliskanliga goz dagi vermek icin iyi niyetli bir uygulama ) DIKKAT; Turkiye Cumhuriyeti bir laik ulkedir .Din ile devlet isleri yurutulmez. Aciklamalar Turk ,Turkic devletlerinin kanunu degil ve sadece Insan davranislarindaki degiskenlikleri ve Allahin dogrusu ile insan icindeki seytansal davranisa ( celiskilere ) dokunmaktir , . Mamafih ,bazi musluman toplumlari yukari da izah edildigi gibi , yahudi din adaminin Tevrat zamanin da topluma yaptirdigi kanun diye tasliyarak oldurmesi de gorulebilir ve buna benzer namus cinayetleri zaman zaman rastlanabilir . Dikkat edilecegi gibi , Allah bunu boyle infaz yapin demedi ve insan bunu oyle cevirmis oldu. Allah , sadece , ZINA YAPMA ve .OLDURME dedi. Insan icindeki Seytan bunu ters yuz etti. Goruldugu gibi bazi Musluman toplumlarinda ,ZINA YAPAN oldurulunce ( taslayarak ve benzeri sekilde ) hemen anti-Musali yahudi ve anti -Isali hiristiyanlar butun Turkleri ve Muslumanligi kotu gostermeye calisir.Buda seytanin ekmegine yag surer. Bunlarin ,Isa ile Musa ile zaten ilgisi yoktur ve bu insan eski geleneginin kendi zamanlarin da yapildigini bilemez veya bilmemeklikten l gelenlerdir. Bu . sadece Seytansal bir yaygaraciliktir Eger , zaten , o bir gercek yahudi ve Hiristiyan olsa idi Musa zamaninda kendi din adamlari Taslamayla oldurmeyi kendi kanun duzeni yaptiklarini bilirlerdi .( Topluma goz dagi vermek icin insan kanunu ) Allah Oldurme demisti gonderdigi ON EMRI nden birisiyle .ve hatta yahudiler bunu ve digerlerini ( Allahin dediklerinin tersini -Seytanla esdegerli olanlari ) aliskanlik olarak devam ettigini gosterince ( yahudi din adamlarinin Bir cok Allahin dediklerinin disinda davrama aliskinligi artinca ) yine de yahudi olan ISA yi gonderdiginde ISA onlara tasla oldurmeye calisanlari gorunce kendi eliy le TAS vermis ve demiski , Hipokratlar ,Allahin dediklerini ters yuz yapiyorsunuz , araniz da zina yapmamis kim varsa ileri gelip ilk tasi o atsin deyince , hic kimse , ileri cikmamis ve Allahin ON EMRINDEKI madde ile insan uydurmasi bir kez daha aciklik kazanmis .Zaten , Allah , Isa yi yoldan cikmis, anti-musali yahudi ve anti-ISA li hiristiyanlar icin gondermisti .Cunku , onlar , Allahin dediginin tersini yapiyorlardi ve hatta ISA nin parmakla gosterdiklerine dayanamayan anti- Musali yahudi din adamlari ISA yi Romalilari kullanarak onu carmiha koydurup oldurtmuslerdi ( ISA onlari HIPOKRAT diye uyarmisti) bu laftan ve kanun dan anlamayana, kamu duzenini korumak icin uygulanan takviyeli ve iyi niyetli denemeler, seytan taslama vesaire … saka maka ) VE O ZAMANDAN BU YANA SEYTANIN KUYRUGU SIKISTIGI ICIN , ANTI-MUSALI YAHUDI VE ANTI-MUSALI HIRISTIYANLAR BUNUN ICIN , KUDURUP DURURLAR….(Turk ve Turk kabilelerine ve de Muslumanlara ve Kuran a ve peygamber Muhammed e … karsi )
    Israil de bugun bile ant-musali yahudilik surmekte olup ve Din adamlari Tevrat ve Incildeki Allahin dedikleri ve uyarilarii ters yuz edip , seytanin menfaatina ve anti-musali olma uygunluguna gore , devlet politikalarini yurutmekte ve din adamlarinin Tevrat ve Incil tercumeleriyle seytansal dogrultuda kendi cikarlarina gore izlemektedirler ve askerlerine oldurmeleri icin Kosher dir talimat vermektedirler. YAPILAN ACIKLAMAR GENELDE COK YONLU OLUP INSANIN SEYTANSAL CIKARLARINI ACIGA CIKARMAK ICIN YAPILMAKTADIR YANI BIR MISAL AYNI KATOGORIYE GIREN TURLU ENTRIKALARI ACIGA CIKARMAK MAKSADIYLA OLUP EGITIMSEL AMACLIDIR .INSAN MUZURLUGUNUN NASIL ISLEDINI ACIKLAMAKTIR .DIN DERSI AMACI DEGILDIR (oyle gorunse bile , Izahatler nedeniyle mecburi olmustur ve baglantilidir) INSANLIGIN ,.DOGRUSUNU VE OZGECMISINI HATIRLATAN , KURAN A VE MUSLUMANLARA SAHTE DERLER VE INCIL de ki BARNABAS KAYITLARI ve VESAIRE KAYITLAR ROMA DAKI PAPA (VATICAN) TARAFINDAN INCIL DEN CIKARILMIS ( ingilizce dilinde bile olsa . Incil in pek cok cesitli baskilari ile insan tarafindan duzenlenmistir) VE KASITLI OLARAK SEYTAN ETKISI ALTINDA KALARAK VE DE KURAN VE MUSLUMANLIGI , TEVRAT VE INCILIN DEVAMINDAN KOPARMAK ICIN ve SAHSI CIKARLAR ICIN DEGISME YAPMISLARDIR . (Seytanliga zemin hazirlama ) ( Isa . bakire meryem den dogmus ALLAHIN OGLU diye degistirdiler. Oysa Isa ALLAHIN OGLU diye cagrilmasini reddetmisti. Ayni mevzu Kuran da soyle gecer, peygamber .Isa , bakire meryemden dogmustur,( ve Musa ,Isa,Muhammed Allahin elcisi ve peygamberdir ve kendisi tarafindan secilmis ve gonderilmistir der ) Sahtekar hiristiyanlar onune geleni benim soyledigim gibi soylemiyorsun diye kafa kesiyorlar (Hacli seferleri ) ve su anda bile devam ettikleri laf oyunlari ile ve Kuran sahtedir,Muslumanlik sahtedir , Muhammed sahtedir demeleri sadece seytani memnun eder (Allahin kitaplarinda boluculuk ve celiski yapmak, peygamberleriyle oynamak , Allah in esas mesajinda ve sozunde dikkat dagitmak , Allah in sozundeki manalari sahsi cikar icin degistirmek , dolayisiyla seytana kapilmak, vesaire) ,
    Etki altinda kalmadan ve Olaylari (bagimsiz olarak ) ve konulari olcebilmeniz ( yani OLCU ALETI olarak kullanmaniz) icin asagidakiler okumaniz icin tavsiye edilmistir….(ingilizce olarak)
    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ( ALLAH in Musa ile gonderdigi 10 EMIR ) ( Insanlarin seytan in dumen suyunda alabora olmamasina kolaylik gostergesi olan 10 maddelik can simidi …saka maka 9 cani olan kediyi bile gecen (kapsayan ) maddeler )
    ve kirli isler icin enayi toplayan ( Incil de yakisikli melek diye gecen ve .Allah a karsi olan THE LUCUFIER (devil =seytan)
    Okuduktan sonra kendinize Mukayeseli ozetler cikarin temaslarinizda, vesaire
    Yani ;
    ( Lucifier Virus (seytan Mikrobu ) yan etkilerine (negatif) karsi nasil bagisiklik kazanmaniza yardimi olacak mukayeseli ozetler cikarmaya calisiniz…
    NOT;
    1) Bildiginiz gibi, insan tarihi , tekrarlardan ibarettir ve sadece Gokkusagindaki gibi , renklerin degisimiyle gorulur, zaman zaman ………
    2) PEYGAMBER ; (Allah in insanlara mesajini iletmek icin ve kendi sectigi insan . (Kuran da son mesajlarinin ve insanliga son kitabinin ve son peygamberinin Muhammed ve son kitabinin da , hepsini kaplayan , Kuran oldugunu soyluyor….)
    3) ENTERESAN TARAFI ; Allah,kisinin yaptiklarinin puanlama ( + ) ve ( — ) derecesine gore , otomatik olarak Cennet ( pozitif puan olanlar ) ve Cehennem ( negaif puanli olanlar ) rezarvasyonlarini garanti ediyor ( Yani ,listede ismim yokmus mus, arabam icin park yeri bulamadim ,cek defterimi unuttum vesaire derdi hic yokmus… baliklama iceri alirmis ve her iki tarafta da cok yeri varmis….. SADECE SENIN SECIMINI VE NELER YAPTIGINI VE TOPLAM PUANININ NE EDECEGINI MERAK EDERMIS….))
    +++++++++++++++++++ =================== +++++++++++++++Butun Anti-musali yahudi ve anti-Isa li hiristiyanlar ve Ortodoks ulkeleri (rus,Ermeni.Bulgar,Romen,Yunan ,Sirbistan vesaire ) Nedeni Nuh un gemisinden cikarlarken disarida bekleyen Seytan la (THE LUCIFIER ) hemen el sikisip sartli olarak bolgenin tapusunu almislar Gizli anlasmaya gore Kendilerinden baskalarini oldurmeleri ve seytan mikrobunu dunya ya yaymalari sart kosulmus (THE LUCIFIER VIRUS ) ayrica Ortodoks kiliselerinin de sadece ortodokuz cekmeleri icin kullanilmasi sart kosulmus mus Bunlar insalik tarihide anti-musali ve anti-isali lar olarak kayitlidir Strong Reccommendations to read ;
    10 THE TEN COMMANDTMENTS
    2) THE LUCIFIER ,(seytan -DEVIL )
    3)NOT ; ANADOLUNUN SESI RADYOSU Anadolunun topragindan ve her kosesinden fiskiran ve asirlaca sizin de parcanizin oldugu ( kaybolmus baglantiniza geri donus ) halk muzikleri ve degisik calgi aletleri , deyisler ve soylesileri ile STERIO olarak 24 saat yayindadir.Bos olan bataryanizi , zem zem suyu gibi ruh boslugunuzu doldurmaniz ve beyin dalgalarinizin duzeni icin , calisirken ve uyurken dinlemeniz tavsiye edilir ( + ) isareti tuslanirsa ses yukselir (—) isareti tuslanirsa ses azalir ( sterio ayarlamasi ) http://www.yayinonline.com/radyo/Anadolunun_Sesi.asp#

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