{"id":8749,"date":"2009-01-30T10:24:30","date_gmt":"2009-01-30T07:24:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/?p=8749"},"modified":"2023-04-08T14:22:44","modified_gmt":"2023-04-08T11:22:44","slug":"modarator-of-davos-david-ignatius","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/2009\/01\/30\/modarator-of-davos-david-ignatius\/","title":{"rendered":"MODERATOR OF DAVOS: David Ignatius"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: #333333;\">Article is written by the moderator of DAVOS David Ignaitus<br \/>\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<h1>The Dignity Agenda<\/h1>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">By <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/projects.washingtonpost.com\/staff\/email\/david+ignatius\/\">David Ignatius<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">Sunday, October 14, 2007; Page B07 <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We talk about democracy and human rights. Iraqis talk about justice and honor.&#8221; That comment from Lt. Col. David Kilcullen, made at a seminar last month on counterinsurgency, is the beginning of wisdom for an America that is trying to repair the damage of recent years. It applies not simply to <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/Iraq?tid=informline\">Iraq<\/span> but to the range of problems in a world tired of listening to an American megaphone.<\/p>\n<p>Dignity is the issue that vexes billions of people around the world, not democracy. Indeed, when people hear <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/George+W.+Bush?tid=informline\">President Bush<\/span> preaching about democratic values, it often comes across as a veiled assertion of American power. The implicit message is that other countries should be more like us &#8212; replacing their institutions, values and traditions with ours. We mean well, but people feel disrespected. The bromides and exhortations are a further assault on their dignity.<\/p>\n<table id=\"content_column_table\" class=\"MsoNormalTable\" style=\"width: 16.5pt; height: 30px;\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"22\" align=\"right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding: 0in; width: 7.5pt;\" width=\"10\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td style=\"padding: 0in; width: 171pt;\" width=\"228\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><script src=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-srv\/article\/js\/storyPageTools.js\"><!--\n\n\/\/ --><\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\"><!--\n&lt;!\nfunction findPosY(obj){\n\tvar curtop = 0;\n\tif(obj.offsetParent){\n\t\twhile(obj.offsetParent){\n\t\t\tcurtop += obj.offsetTop\n\t\t\tobj = obj.offsetParent;\n\t\t}\n\t} else if(obj.y){\n\t\tcurtop += obj.y;\n\t}\n\treturn curtop;\n}\nfunction findPosX(obj){\n\tvar curleft = 0;\n\tif(obj.offsetParent){\n\t\twhile(obj.offsetParent){\n\t\t\tcurleft += obj.offsetLeft\n\t\t\tobj = obj.offsetParent;\n\t\t}\n\t} else if(obj.x){\n\t\tcurleft += obj.x;\n\t}\n\treturn curleft;\n}\n\/\/  &gt;\n\n\/\/ --><\/script><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>That&#8217;s the difficulty when the <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/U.S.+House+of+Representatives?tid=informline\">U.S. House of Representatives<\/span> pressures <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/Turkey?tid=informline\">Turkey<\/span> to admit that it committed genocide against the Armenians 92 years ago. It&#8217;s not that this demand is wrong.<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong> I&#8217;m an Armenian American, and some of my own relatives perished in that genocidal slaughter. <\/strong><\/span>I agree with the congressional resolution, but I know that this is a problem that Turks must resolve. They are imprisoned in a past that they have not yet been able to accept. Our hectoring makes it easier for them to retreat deeper into denial.<\/p>\n<p>The most articulate champion of what the administration likes to call the &#8220;democracy agenda&#8221; has been Secretary of State <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/Condoleezza+Rice?tid=informline\">Condoleezza Rice<\/span>. When she talks about the universality of American values, she carries the special resonance of an African American girl from <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/Birmingham+%28Alabama%29?tid=informline\">Birmingham, Ala.<\/span>, who witnessed the struggle for democracy in a segregated America. But she also conveys an American arrogance, a message that when it comes to good governance, it&#8217;s our way or the highway.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s encouraging to hear that Rice is taking policy advice from Kilcullen, a brilliant Australian military officer who helped reshape U.S. strategy in Iraq toward the bottom-up precepts of counterinsurgency. Sources tell me Kilcullen will soon be joining the <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/U.S.+Department+of+State?tid=informline\">State Department<\/span> as a part-time consultant. For a taste of his thinking, check out his Sept. 26 presentation to a <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/U.S.+Marine+Corps?tid=informline\">Marine Corps<\/span> seminar (available at <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.wargaming.quantico.usmc.mil\/\"><\/span>).<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\"><!--\nif ( show_doubleclick_ad &amp;&amp; ( adTemplate &amp; INLINE_ARTICLE_AD ) == INLINE_ARTICLE_AD &amp;&amp; inlineAdGraf )\n{\nplaceAd('ARTICLE',commercialNode,20,'',true) ;\n}\n\/\/ --><\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\"><!--\n&lt;!\nif ( show_doubleclick_ad &amp;&amp; ( adTemplate &amp; INLINE_ARTICLE_AD ) == INLINE_ARTICLE_AD &amp;&amp; inlineAdGraf )\n{\ndocument.write('&lt;\/div&gt;') ;\n}\n\/\/  &gt;\n\/\/ --><\/script> As we think about a &#8220;dignity agenda,&#8221; there are some other useful readings. A starting point is <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/Zbigniew+Brzezinski?tid=informline\">Zbigniew Brzezinski<\/span>&#8216;s new book, &#8220;Second Chance,&#8221; which argues that America&#8217;s best hope is to align itself with what he calls a &#8220;global political awakening.&#8221; The former national security adviser explains: &#8220;In today&#8217;s restless world, America needs to identify with the quest for universal human dignity, a dignity that embodies both freedom and democracy but also implies respect for cultural diversity.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>After I mentioned Brzezinski&#8217;s ideas about dignity in a previous column, a reader sent me a 1961 essay by the philosopher <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/ac2\/related\/topic\/Berlin?tid=informline\">Isaiah Berlin<\/span>, which made essentially the same point. A deeply skeptical man who resisted the &#8220;isms&#8221; of partisan thought, Berlin was trying to understand the surge of nationalism despite two world wars. &#8220;Nationalism springs, as often as not, from a wounded or outraged sense of human dignity, the desire for recognition,&#8221; he wrote.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The craving for recognition has grown to be more powerful than any other force abroad today,&#8221; Berlin continued. &#8220;It is no longer economic insecurity or political impotence that oppresses the imaginations of many young people in the West today, but a sense of the ambivalence of their social status &#8212; doubts about where they belong, and where they wish or deserve to belong.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A final item on my dignity reading list is &#8220;Violent Politics,&#8221; a new book by the iconoclastic historian William R. Polk. He examines 10 insurgencies through history &#8212; from the American Revolution to the Irish struggle for independence to the Afghan resistance to Soviet occupation &#8212; to make a stunningly simple point, which we managed to forget in Iraq: People don&#8217;t like to be told what to do by outsiders. &#8220;The very presence of foreigners, indeed, stimulates the sense first of apartness and ultimately of group cohesion.&#8221; Foreign intervention offends people&#8217;s dignity, Polk reminds us. That&#8217;s why insurgencies are so hard to defeat.<\/p>\n<p>People will fight to protect their honor even &#8212; and perhaps, especially &#8212; when they have nothing else left. That has been a painful lesson for the Israelis, who hoped for the past 30 years they could squeeze the Palestinians into a rational peace deal. It&#8217;s excruciating now for Armenian Americans like me, when we see Turkey refusing to <em>make<\/em> a rational accounting of its history. But if foreign governments try to make people do the right thing, it won&#8217;t work. They have to do it for themselves.<\/p>\n<p><em>The writer is co-host ofPostGlobal, an online discussion of international issues. His e-mail address isdavidignatius@washpost.com.<\/em><\/p>\n<h3>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<\/h3>\n<h1 id=\"firstHeading\" class=\"firstHeading\">David Ignatius<\/h1>\n<h3 id=\"siteSub\">From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<\/h3>\n<div id=\"jump-to-nav\">Jump to: navigation, search<\/div>\n<p><!-- start content --><\/p>\n<div class=\"thumb tright\">\n<div class=\"thumbinner\" style=\"width: 182px;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"thumbcaption\">\n<div class=\"magnify\"><\/div>\n<p>David Ignatius<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>David R. Ignatius<\/strong> (May 26, 1950), an American journalist and novelist of Armenian descent<sup>[1]<\/sup><sup>[2]<\/sup>. As of 2008, he is an associate editor and columnist for <em>The Washington Post<\/em>. He also co-hosts <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=Postglobal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">PostGlobal<\/span>, an online discussion of international issues at Washingtonpost.com, with <em>Newsweek<\/em> &#8216;s Fareed Zakaria.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">TURKISHFORUM<\/span>: ORIGINAL OF ABOVE DESCRIPTION, BEFORE THE DAVOS INCIDENT\u00a0 WAS <\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--[endif]--><strong><span style=\"background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\">David R. Ignatius<\/span><\/strong><span style=\"background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"> (born May 26, 1950), <\/span><span style=\"background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: red;\">an Jewish<\/span><span style=\"background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\">-American journalist and novelist. As of 2008, he is an associate editor and columnist for The Washington Post. He also co-hosts <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=Postglobal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">PostGlobal<\/span>, an online discussion of international issues at Washingtonpost.com, with Newsweek \u2019s Fareed Zakaria.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">M<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">EANING HIS BACKGROUND SUDDENLY CHANGED&#8230;FROM JEWISH TO ARMENIAN AND\u00a0 MISTERIOUSLY AS OF THIS DAY OF JANUARY\/29\/2009<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">PLEASE ALSO SEE THE ARTICLE IN TURKISH SECTIONS ABOUT JEWS TRIBES BECAME ARMENIANS BY FORCE \u00a0 AMONG TURKISH SECTION OF TURKISH FORUM<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/tr\/content\/2009\/01\/30\/moderatorun-soyagaci-ermenileri-yoneten-yahudiler\/<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<table id=\"toc\" class=\"toc\" border=\"0\" summary=\"Contents\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div id=\"toctitle\">\n<h2>Contents<\/h2>\n<p><span class=\"toctoggle\">[hide]<\/span><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"toclevel-1\"><span class=\"tocnumber\">1<\/span> <span class=\"toctext\">Personal<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"toclevel-1\"><span class=\"tocnumber\">2<\/span> <span class=\"toctext\">Career<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"toclevel-1\"><span class=\"tocnumber\">3<\/span> <span class=\"toctext\">Bibliography<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"toclevel-1\"><span class=\"tocnumber\">4<\/span> <span class=\"toctext\">References<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"toclevel-1\"><span class=\"tocnumber\">5<\/span> <span class=\"toctext\">External links<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\"><!--\n\/\/&lt;![CDATA[\n if (window.showTocToggle) { var tocShowText = \"show\"; var tocHideText = \"hide\"; showTocToggle(); }\n\/\/]]&gt;\n\/\/ --><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a name=\"Personal\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"mw-headline\">Personal<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Ignatius is a graduate of St. Albans School (Washington, DC), Harvard College, class of 1972, and King&#8217;s College, Cambridge.<\/p>\n<p>He is married to Dr. Eve Thornberg Ignatius and they have three daughters.<\/p>\n<p>Ignatius&#8217; father, Paul Robert Ignatius is a former Secretary of the Navy and president of <em>The Washington Post<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"Career\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"mw-headline\">Career<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>After school, he worked for <em>Washington Monthly<\/em> and then the <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em>, where he covered the Justice Department and the CIA, and was a correspondent from the Middle East. He later went to the <em>Washington Post<\/em> in 1986, where he has since remained except for a stint from 2000 through 2002 when he was executive editor of the <em>International Herald Tribune<\/em> in Paris. His writing has also appeared in <em>The New York Times Magazine<\/em>, <em>The Atlantic Monthly<\/em>, <em>Foreign Affairs<\/em>, and <em>The New Republic<\/em>. His columns are syndicated worldwide by <em>The Washington Post Writers Group<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"Bibliography\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"mw-headline\">Bibliography<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Ignatius has also written five novels in the suspense\/espionage fiction genre, which draw on his experience and interest in foreign affairs:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=Agents_of_Innocence&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">Agents of Innocence<\/span><\/em>, 1987<\/li>\n<li><em><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=SIRO&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">SIRO<\/span><\/em>, 1991<\/li>\n<li><em><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=The_Bank_of_Fear&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">The Bank of Fear<\/span><\/em>, 1994<\/li>\n<li><em>A Firing Offense<\/em>, 1997<\/li>\n<li><em>Body of Lies<\/em>, 2007; Warner Bros. film adaptation, 2008<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>His 1999 novel <em><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=The_Sun_King_%28novel%29&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">The Sun King<\/span><\/em> was a departure from the espionage genre &#8211; it is a re-working of The Great Gatsby set in end-of-the-20th-century Washington<\/p>\n<p>In 2006, he wrote a foreword to the American edition of <em>Enemy Combatant<\/em> by Moazzam Begg.<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"References\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"mw-headline\">References<\/span><\/h2>\n<div class=\"references-small\">\n<ol class=\"references\">\n<li id=\"cite_note-0\"><strong>^<\/strong> [http:\/\/www.azgdaily.com\/EN\/2008121701 AZG Armenian Daily #234, 17\/12\/2008<\/li>\n<li id=\"cite_note-1\"><strong>^<\/strong> [http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2007\/10\/12\/AR2007101202147.html washingtonpost.com: The Dignity Agenda<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<p><a name=\"External_links\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"mw-headline\">External links<\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>David Ignatius opinion columns at the Washington Post.<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/blog.washingtonpost.com\/postglobal\">Washington Post, PostGlobal Moderator<\/span>.<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.postwritersgroup.com\/ignatius.htm\">Page on Ignatius at the Washington Post Writers Group<\/span>.<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.thecrimson.com\/writer.aspx?id=7036\">The writings of David R. 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Pakraduniler (Bagratuni\/Bagratids) ad\u0131 verilen ve as\u0131rlarca Ermeni toplumunu y\u00f6neten cemaatin hik\u00e2yesi M.\u00d6 730 y\u0131l\u0131nda ba\u015fl\u0131yor ve g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcze kadar uzan\u0131yor. \u0130ddian\u0131n sahibi, ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131-yazar Levon Panos Daba\u011fyan. Yahudi as\u0131ll\u0131 Pakradunilerin M.S. 1045 y\u0131l\u0131na kadar Ermenileri <span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdac\u0131mas\u0131zca\ufffd y\u00f6netti\u011fini ifade<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ederken, iddialar\u0131na dayanak olarak d\u00fcnyaca \u00fcnl\u00fc Yahudi tarih\u00e7ilerinden Prof. Dr. Abraham Galante<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdyi g\u00f6steriyor. Galante, \ufffdPakraduniler veya<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Bir Ermeni-Yahudi Tarikat\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd adl\u0131 kitab\u0131nda, \ufffdPakraduniler, varl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Juda \u0130mparatorlu\u011fu<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdnun sonlar\u0131ndan (M.\u00d6. 7. y\u00fczy\u0131l), 20\ufffdnci y\u00fczy\u0131la dek<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> s\u00fcrd\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015f olan Ermeni-Yahudi kar\u0131\u015f\u0131m\u0131 bir kavimdir.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd diyor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bizans<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd\u0131n krall\u0131klar\u0131na son verdi\u011fi Pakraduniler, Sel\u00e7uklular\u0131n<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> hakimiyetine girdikten sonra y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131m\u0131za kadar hayatiyetini cemaat i\u00e7inde devam ettiriyor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Hik\u00e2ye milattan \u00f6nce 730 y\u0131l\u0131nda ba\u015fl\u0131yor. O tarihte, Ermeni Kral\u0131 Sannasar, Filistin<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffde yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 seferde \u0130srail Kral\u0131 Osee\ufffdyi \u00f6ld\u00fcrerek, 10<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Yahudi kabilesini esir al\u0131r. Sonra onlar\u0131 F\u0131rat<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd\u0131n \u00f6tesine, G\u00fcney<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Ermenistan<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffda yerle\u015ftirir. M.\u00d6. 700\ufffdlerde, bu kez Babil Kral\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Nabukadnezar, M\u0131s\u0131r Kral\u0131 Necho ile Kud\u00fcs Kral\u0131 Yoachim<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffde kar\u015f\u0131 bir<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> sefer a\u00e7ar. S\u00f6z konusu sefere, Do\u011fu Ermenistan Kral\u0131 H\u0131ra\u00e7ya da b\u00fcy\u00fck bir ordu ile kat\u0131l\u0131r. H\u0131ra\u00e7ya<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdn\u0131n bu sava\u015fta g\u00f6sterdi\u011fi ola\u011fan\u00fcst\u00fc<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ba\u015far\u0131, Nabukadnezar<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd\u0131 fazlas\u0131yla memnun eder ve esir ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 10 bin<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Yahudi<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdnin yar<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 Kral H\u0131ra\u00e7ya<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdya hediye eder. Bu esirler aras\u0131nda<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> \u0130srailo\u011fullar\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdn\u0131n \u00f6nemli \u015fahsiyetlerinden Prens \u015eampat (Smbat\/Shampat)<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> da vard\u0131r. \u015eampat, k\u0131sa zamanda H\u0131ra\u00e7ya<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdn\u0131n takdirlerine mazhar olur.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Devlet hizmetine al\u0131n\u0131p, \u00f6nemli mevkilere y\u00fckselir.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>ES\u0130RL\u0130KTEN SOYLULU\u011eA<\/p>\n<p>M.\u00d6. l5O<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdlerde soyunun Hz. Davud\ufffda (as) dayand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 iddia eden ve ad\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdPakarad \u015eampa\ufffd olan bir Yahudi, zaman\u0131n Ermenistan Kral\u0131 Va\u011far\u015fak\ufffda<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ba\u015fvurarak saray hizmetine girebilme talebinde bulunur. Dikkat \u00e7ekme ve kendini sevdirme a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan Prens \u015eampat<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd\u0131 dahi g\u00f6lgede b\u0131rakt\u0131\u011f\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> kaydedilen Pakarad \u015eampa, Kral Va\u011far\u015fak<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd\u0131n en yak\u0131n bendeleri mevkiine<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> eri\u015fir. Sonunda \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 bir \u015fekilde, Ermeni Krallar\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdna ta\u00e7 giydirme<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> imtiyaz\u0131 ile 10 bin s\u00fcvariye komuta etme hakk\u0131n\u0131 elde eder. M.\u00d6. 90-36<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdlarda E<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">rmeni krallar\u0131na Dikran II. (B\u00fcy\u00fck Dikran) \u0130srailo\u011fullar\u0131na y\u00f6nelik yeni bir sefer d\u00fczenler.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Bu sefer s\u0131ras\u0131nda esir ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 binlerce Yahudi<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdyi o da \u00fclkesine<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr. Esirler aras\u0131ndan se\u00e7ti\u011fi <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdA\u015fod\ufffd ad\u0131nda bir asil Yahudi\ufffdyi<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> \u00f6zel hizmetine al\u0131r. Bu olaylar sonucunda Ermenistan<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffda yerle\u015fen ve<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> zamanla n\u00fcfuslar\u0131 h\u0131zla artan esir Yahudiler, s\u00fcrg\u00fcn y\u0131llar\u0131n\u0131n sembol ismi Prens \u015eampat<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd\u0131n hat\u0131ras\u0131n\u0131 kendilerine rehber edinerek,<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> te\u015fkil\u00e2tlan\u0131p mill\u00ee varl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 koruyabilme m\u00fccadelesine giri\u015firler. Zamanla Ermenilerin y\u00f6netimini ele ge\u00e7iren Pakraduniler M.S. 1045<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffde<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> kadar Ermenistan<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdda saltanat s\u00fcrmeyi ba\u015far\u0131r.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>26 Y\u00dcZYILDIR YAHUD\u0130L\u0130KLER\u0130 DEVAM ED\u0130YOR<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdKripto Yahudilik\ufffdkonusunda uzman olan T\u00fcrkiyeli Yahudi Prof. Abraham<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Galante, <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdLes Pacradounis ou Une Secte Armeno-J<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">uive\/ Pakraduniler veya Bir Ermeni-Yahudi Tarikat\u0131 \/ Bask\u0131: 1933, Frans\u0131zca \u0130st.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd adl\u0131 eserinde<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> bu konuda hayli enteresan bilgiler veriyor: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdPakraduniler varl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Juda \u0130mparatorlu\u011fu<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdnun sonlar\u0131ndan (M.\u00d6. 7. y\u00fczy\u0131l), 20\ufffdinci y\u00fczy\u0131la<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> kadar s\u00fcrd\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015f olan Ermeni-Yahudi kar\u0131\u015f\u0131m\u0131 bir kavimdir. E\u011fin<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdde,<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdErzurum-Sivas aras\u0131nda\ufffd, Marmara Denizi\ufffdnin Avrupa yakas\u0131nda ve<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> \u0130stanbul Hask\u00f6y<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdde ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f olduklar\u0131 bilinen Pakraduniler, 26 y\u00fczy\u0131ld\u0131r<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Yahudi y\u00f6nlerini s\u00fcrd\u00fcrmekte g\u00f6sterdikleri kararl\u0131l\u0131k nedeniyle Portekizli Marano<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdlar, Selanikli D\u00f6nmeler ve \u0130ranl\u0131 Me\u015fhediler gibi<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Yahudi k\u00f6kenli topluluklar aras\u0131nda say\u0131labilirler.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Daba\u011fyan, Pakradunilerin kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131isimlerin Ermenilerden farkl\u0131 olabildi\u011fini s\u00f6yleyerek; Ermeni tarih\u00e7i Gato\u011figos \u011eorenazi<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdden \u015fu<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> nakilde bulunuyor: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdSimpat ad\u0131n\u0131, \ufffdPakraduniler\ufffd o\u011fullar\u0131na verirler.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Bu isim \u0130branice<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdden geliyor ve asl\u0131 \ufffd\u015eampat\ufffdt\u0131r. Ermeniler aras\u0131nda<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> as\u0131rlarca pek reva\u00e7 g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f olan <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdPakrat, Simpat, A\u015fot, Kakik, \u0130srael,<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Tavit<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd gibi isimlerin Ermeni men\u015fe\ufffdli olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bariz \u015fekil<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">de meydana \u00e7\u0131kmaktad\u0131r.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Daba\u011fyan, Bizansl\u0131 tarih\u00e7i Pavstos<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdun, 3. As\u0131r\ufffdda b\u00f6lgede iskan edilmi\u015f<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ve k\u0131smen H\u0131ristiyan olmu\u015f Yahudilerin miktar\u0131n\u0131 400 bin olarak verdi\u011fini de kaydediyor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>NASS\u0130: DOMUZ ET\u0130 YEMEZLER<\/p>\n<p>Sabetayc\u0131l\u0131k, Ladino ve Kripto Yahudi cemaatleri konusunda uzman isimlerden ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131-yazar Dr. Gad Nassi, Pakradunilerin 20. y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131n ilk yar\u0131s\u0131na kadar \u00f6zel gelenekleriyle Sivas\/Divri\u011fi ile Erzincan\/E\u011fin (Yeni ad\u0131 Kemaliye) aras\u0131ndaki b\u00f6lgede varl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fcklerini belirtiyor. Nassi<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdye<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> g\u00f6re cemaatin yay\u0131l\u0131m\u0131, Arapkir, Kapadokya ve Kilikya\/\u00c7ukurova<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdya kadar uzan\u0131yor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Nassi, Pakraduni soyundan gelenlerin fiziki g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fc\u015flerinin Ermenilerden farkl\u0131 oldu\u011funu, kafa yap\u0131s\u0131 olarak Yahudiler gibi Dolikosefal olduklar\u0131n\u0131 kaydediyor. Bir Yahudi-Ermeni<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdnin evinde vefat<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti\u011finde, evin i\u00e7ini tamamen de\u011fi\u015ftirdiklerini, evde asla su kullanmad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00f6l\u00fcm mele\u011finin k\u0131l\u0131c\u0131ndaki kan\u0131 bu suyla temizledi\u011fine inand\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 belirtiyor. 7 g\u00fcn i\u015f yapmay\u0131p Yahudilerde oldu\u011fu gibi yas tuttuklar\u0131n\u0131 da kaydediyor. Nassi, Pakradunilerin asla domuz eti yemediklerini, cumartesi g\u00fcn\u00fc \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yasa\u011f\u0131na uyduklar\u0131n\u0131, genelde cemaat i\u00e7inden evlendiklerini ve soyadlar\u0131n\u0131n da Yahudi k\u00f6kenlerini anlatacak \u015fekilde oldu\u011funu ifade ediyor. Bunun da Ermeniler aras\u0131nda <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdYahudili\u011fin bir uzant\u0131s\u0131\ufffd olarak de\u011ferlendirildi\u011fini<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor. Nassi, Pakradunilerin, ticaret ve finans alan\u0131nda \u00e7ok becerikli olduklar\u0131n\u0131 kaydederken, benzer bir grubun da geleneklerini koruyarak 19<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffduncu y\u00fczy\u0131la kadar G\u00fcrcistan\ufffdda G\u00fcrc\u00fcler i\u00e7inde<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> hayatiyetini devam ettirdi\u011fini ifade ediyor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>RAFIZ\u00ce ERMEN\u0130LER K\u0130M?<\/p>\n<p>Frans\u0131z Mare\u015fali Horace Sebastiani, T\u00fcrkiye Ermenileriyle ilgili 1814 tarihli raporunda Ermenileri normal Ermeniler ve <span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdRafiziyyun\/Rafiziler\ufffd<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> olarak ikiye ay\u0131r\u0131r. Daba\u011fyan <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdOsmanl\u0131 \u0130mparatorlu\u011f<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">unda \u015eer Ak\u0131mlar<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> kitab\u0131nda bu raporu de\u011ferlendirirken, Frans\u0131zlar\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffddeki etnik<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> yap\u0131ya daha 1800<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdl\u00fc y\u0131llar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131nda bile ne kadar h\u00e2kim olduklar\u0131n\u0131n<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ifade ederek \u015f\u00f6yle tepki veriyor:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdSel\u00e7uklular devrinde, Alparslan\ufffd\u0131n saflar\u0131na ge<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\u00e7erek, Bizans<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffda kar\u015f\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> sava\u015fan ve sonradan \u0130slam dinini kabul eden Ermenilerin b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u0131sm\u0131, bil\u00e2here <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdAlevi Mezhebi\ufffdne ge\u00e7mi\u015f ve \u00f6yle kalm\u0131\u015flard\u0131r. (&#8230;)<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Demek ki, Mare\u015fal Horace Sebastiani, Fransa<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdn\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye \u00fczerinde<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ta\u015f\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 gizli emellerin tahakkuk sahas\u0131na aktar\u0131laca\u011f\u0131 zaman, Osmanl\u0131 topraklar\u0131nda ya\u015fayan bilumum unsurlardan istifade edebilmek i\u00e7in Anadolu topraklar\u0131nda ya\u015fayanlar\u0131 da iyiden iyiye tetkik etmi\u015f veya ettirmi\u015f!<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Ermeni as\u0131ll\u0131 T\u00fcrk vatanda\u015f\u0131 yazar Torkom \u0130stepanyan ise Pakradunilerle ilgili \u015fu de\u011ferlendirmede bulunuyor: <span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdT\u00fcrk-Ermeni karde\u015fli\u011finin<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> ba\u015flang\u0131c\u0131 11<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdinci y\u00fczy\u0131l ortalar\u0131na dayan\u0131r. 1064\ufffdte Pakraduni Ermeni<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Krall\u0131\u011f\u0131na Bizansl\u0131lar taraf\u0131ndan son verilince, Bizans zulm\u00fcne dayanamayan Ermeniler T\u00fcrklerin himayesine s\u0131\u011f\u0131nd\u0131lar. Bu devre onlar i\u00e7in huzur oldu. Vatanlar\u0131na s\u0131ms\u0131k\u0131 ba\u011fland\u0131lar. T\u00fcrkler taraf\u0131ndan bunlardan<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd baz\u0131lar\u0131na \ufffdAmiral\ufffdlik unvan\u0131 verildi. B\u00f6ylece ilk<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> T\u00fcrk-Ermeni dostlu\u011funun temeli at\u0131lm\u0131\u015f oldu. Bu karde\u015fli\u011fin en g\u00fczel kan\u0131t\u0131 da bug\u00fcn d\u00fcnyan\u0131n d\u00f6rt buca\u011f\u0131na serpilmi\u015f olan Ermeni toplumunun g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcze dek varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcren T\u00fcrk\u00e7e k\u00f6kenli soyadlar\u0131d\u0131r. \u00d6rne\u011fin, Romanya do\u011fumlu oldu\u011fu halde d\u00fcnya Ermenilerinin Ruhani Reisi Gatogigos Vazgen I<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdin soyad\u0131 \ufffdBalc\u0131yan\ufffdd\u0131r.\ufffd (Sorun olan Ermeniler \/ Suat Akg\u00fcl,<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Ali G\u00fcler, T\u00fcrkar Yay. \u0130st. 2003. s: 402)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdE<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>RMEN\u0130 \u0130SYANLARININ ARKASINDALAR!\ufffd<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Yazar Levon Panos Daba\u011fyan, Ermeni meselesinin can damar\u0131n\u0131 te\u015fkil eden <span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd1. Zeytun \u0130syan\u0131\ufffdn\u0131n\ufffd arkas\u0131nda Fransa ve Vatikan\ufffd\u0131n bulundu\u011funu,<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> isyan\u0131n d\u00fczenleyicilerinin Pakraduniler oldu\u011funu ileri s\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Daba\u011fyan, Zeytunlular\u0131n k\u00f6keniyle ilgili olarak \u015f\u00f6yle diyor: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdAni<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Beldesi<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdnin Bizansl\u0131lara ge\u00e7mesinden ve Bizansl\u0131lar\u0131n Ermeni<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> katliam\u0131ndan sonra, Anadolu<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdnun muhtelif b\u00f6lgelerine da\u011f\u0131lan \ufffdPakraduni<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Hanedan\u0131<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd mensuplar\u0131 Ha\u00e7in ve Zeytun havalisi<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">ne yerle\u015fmi\u015flerdi. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla (Fransa<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdn\u0131n g\u00f6nderdi\u011fi Katolik Ermeni) macerac\u0131 Leon,<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Ermenileri isyana te\u015fvik i\u00e7in ger\u00e7ekten en m\u00fcnasip b\u00f6lgeleri se\u00e7mi\u015f demekti. Zira, Pakraduni Hanedan\u0131, zaten birtak\u0131m entrikalara m\u00fcsait ve gayri Ermeni bir unsur idi.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Daba\u011fyan 1862 ve 1895<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdte iki kez denenen isyan\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye\ufffdye sad\u0131k<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> Gregoryan Ermenilerin destek vermemesi \u00fczerine ak\u00e1mete u\u011frad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kaydediyor. Pakradunilerin de h\u00e2l\u00e2 var oldu\u011funu belirtiyor: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdH\u00e2l\u00e2<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> varlar tabii; ama say\u0131lar\u0131 ne kadar, organizeler mi bilemem. Sanm\u0131yorum. Ancak, bizde birine <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdPakraduni!\ufffd dedin mi, bu hakaret i\u00e7in<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> kullan\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. \u00c7ocukken birine k\u0131zd\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda, <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffdPakradunisin ulan sen!\ufffd<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\"> derdik. Onlar\u0131n \u0131rklar\u0131ndan gelen bir zek\u00e2lar\u0131, m\u00fcztehzi bir bak\u0131\u015flar\u0131, hesap\u00e7\u0131, i\u015fini bilir bir yap\u0131lar\u0131 vard\u0131r. Tar\u0131m ve zenaattan \u00e7ok hep ticaretle, para\/finans i\u015fleriyle u\u011fra\u015fm\u0131\u015flard\u0131r.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;\">\ufffd<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Article is written by the moderator of DAVOS David Ignaitus The Dignity Agenda By David Ignatius Sunday, October 14, 2007; Page B07 &#8220;We talk about democracy and human rights. Iraqis talk about justice and honor.&#8221; That comment from Lt. Col. 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