{"id":20823,"date":"2010-07-23T09:36:48","date_gmt":"2010-07-23T07:36:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.turkishforum.com.tr\/en\/content\/?p=20823"},"modified":"2014-01-05T20:03:00","modified_gmt":"2014-01-05T18:03:00","slug":"israel-turkey-relations-and-prophecy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/2010\/07\/23\/israel-turkey-relations-and-prophecy\/","title":{"rendered":"Israel-Turkey Relations and Prophecy"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rapturealert.blogspot.com\/2009\/01\/israel-turkey-relations-and-prophecy.html\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/h3>\n<div>by Michael G. Mickey<br \/>\n(1-14-09)<\/p>\n<p>We know it has to happen. In  fact I&#8217;ve been writing that it&#8217;s going to happen for a long time. What  am I referring to? A couple of things involving one end times player  actually, but today I&#8217;m going to focus my attention on a side of the  issue I really haven&#8217;t dwelt on much before and that is how the nation  of Turkey, presently a member of NATO seeking to gain European Union  membership, is going to go from being friendly with Israel to an enemy  of Israel and ally of the Russian and Iranian-led confederacy of nations  predicted to attack Israel as prophesied in Ezekiel 38-39 &#8211; the battle  of Gog-Magog as we commonly refer to it.<\/p>\n<p>The nations to  participate in that attack are believed to be as follows:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Magog  &#8211; Most agree this is a reference to <strong>Russia<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<li>Meshech  &#8211; Most associate this with modern day <strong>Turkey<\/strong>, ancient  Anatolia, but some say it refers to the Moscow area.<\/li>\n<li>Tubal &#8211;  Most associate this with modern day <strong>Turkey<\/strong>, ancient  Anatolia.<\/li>\n<li>Persia &#8211; modern <strong>Iran<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Ethiopia<\/li>\n<li>Libya<\/li>\n<li>Gomer  &#8211; eastern Europe or <strong>Turkey<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Togarmah &#8211;  southeastern Europe or <strong>Turkey<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Readers, this  detail of prophecy is really coming into view right now and  dramatically. Check it out.<\/p>\n<p>On 1-12-09, a <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/worldnetdaily.com\/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=85934\">WorldNetDaily.com  report<\/span> stated the following (emphasis added mine):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>Israel&#8217;s  offensive in the Gaza Strip could affect its relationships with Turkey<\/strong>,  impact U.S. Middle East policy <strong>and even push Turkey closer to  Iran<\/strong>, which supports Hamas in Gaza..&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>How about  that?<\/p>\n<p>And then the <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/www.jpost.com\/servlet\/Satellite?cid=1231774446799&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull\">Jerusalem  Post<\/span>, on January 13th, reported that Turkish Prime Minister Recep  Tayyip Erdogan has been very critical of Israel in recent days, at one  point stating that &#8220;media outlets supported by Jews are disseminating  false reports on what happens in Gaza, finding unfounded excuses to  justify targeting of schools, mosques and hospitals.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>These  allegations on the part of Erdogan are both absurd and incendiary,  depicting Israel to be little different than the terrorists Israeli  Defense Forces are targeting, all of which are well-known to store  command and control elements as well as weapons and munitions inside  mosques, civilian neighborhoods, and the like. This is old hat for these  hoodlums! They fire rockets from civilian rooftops, schoolyards and the  like in an effort to draw fire to those areas so they can accuse Israel  of war crimes if someone innocent is hurt, something few from the  liberal media and halls of government around the globe are willing to  take Hamas to task for even verbally. This is true in spite of the fact  that Israel is putting video up on YouTube daily to  document the shenanigans of Hamas and, presumably, other militant  factions aiding them in Gaza.<\/p>\n<p>Are innocent casualties occurring  in the Gaza Strip as we&#8217;re hearing? Undoubtedly, but there is more &#8211;  much more &#8211; to the story of how those casualties are occurring than  meets the eye if we are getting our information from mainstream media  sources only. Israel is between a rock and a hard place in this struggle  as designed by Israel&#8217;s enemies! Throughout Gaza, underneath civilian  neighborhoods, markets and public buildings, tunnels have been dug  within which Hamas has rockets and other armaments and munitions stored,  not to mention terrorists in hiding. This, way before the recent Gaza  conflict started, could&#8217;ve been investigated by the media, not to  mention the thousands upon thousands of rocket and mortar attacks that  have been launched into civilian areas of Israel leading up to this  event, none of which, apparently, were deemed worthy of coverage by the  media or global outcry. I&#8217;ll leave it to my readers to do the math on  that one.<\/p>\n<p>In closing, what does all of this show us, once again?  Nothing that should surprise us certainly!<\/p>\n<p>The Bible, God&#8217;s Word,  makes it clear that Turkey is going to go from being in alliance with  the West and into alliance with its Gog-Magog allies. And what byproduct  will come with that? A rupture in relations between Turkey and Israel,  which is wording we find in the WorldNetDaily headline linked above.<\/p>\n<p>The  end times drama continues.<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE:<\/strong> Russia&#8217;s northern fleet has just  completed training exercises with the Turkish Navy in the Mediterranean,  further evidence of Turkey aligning with its Gog-Magog allies. See this  article below.<\/p>\n<p>==============================<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h1 id=\"doc360161\" onclick=\"return openFullStories(this);\">Northern  fleet complete exercise with Turkish navy<\/h1>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\tdragable_items[dragable_items.length]=\"doc360161\";\n\/\/ ]]><\/script><\/p>\n<div><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html?fullstory\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html\/print\"><\/span><\/div>\n<p>Published 12 January, 2009, 08:41<\/p>\n<p>For the first time, a part of Russia&#8217;s northern fleet is conducting  training exercises with their Turkish colleagues in the Mediterranean  Sea.<\/p>\n<p><!-- bookmarks start --><\/p>\n<div id=\"bookmarks_holder\"><\/div>\n<p>The naval pilots and ground crew will be put through rigorous tests  where mistakes are simply not an option.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cEvery time we double check everything, because if anything  happens at sea there&#8217;s no chance of making an emergency landing like on  the ground,\u201d<\/em> said Major Sergey Nagaichenko, a technician taking  part in the drill.<\/p>\n<p>Only after everything has been cleared, are pilots given the green  light to fly the 11-tonne helicopters.<\/p>\n<p>They work hand in hand with their Turkish counterparts conducting  simulated search and rescue operations at sea.<\/p>\n<p>In another exercise, a Turkish vessel is out of fuel and water. The  Russian warship Admiral Levchenko&#8217;s job is to respond and assist its  stricken colleague.<\/p>\n<p>Although the exercise does not involve flying at high speeds, the  close proximity of the two ships and the need for them to travel at  exactly the same speed on parallel courses makes any mistake  unacceptable.<\/p>\n<p>In the end everything goes smoothly. The connection is established,  the supplies are transferred and even the sailors get a chance to  exchange small souvenirs.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cThe Turkish navy is very strong and has deep traditions. We\u2019ve  sharpened our inter-operational ability with them. And now we are ready  to tackle almost any task together,\u201d<\/em> said ship commander Sergey  Okhrenchuk.<\/p>\n<p>After the manoeuvres the Turkish ships head home and the group from  Russia&#8217;s northern fleet continues its voyage, doing its duty in the  waters of the Mediterranean.<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"ratehere360161\"><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html#\"> <\/span> <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html#\"> <\/span> <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html#\"> <\/span> <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html#\"> <\/span> <span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/Top_News\/2009-01-12\/Northern_fleet_complete_exercise_with_Turkish_navy.html#\"> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!-- rating finish --><\/div>\n<p>==================================================================<\/p>\n<p><!--\n\n\n<div>\n\n\n<div>&laquo; Fallen Christians?<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div>Who Is Jesus&#8217; God? &raquo;<\/div>\n\n\n<\/div>\n\n\n--><\/p>\n<h1>Breaking The Israel Turkey Alliance. Follow Up<\/h1>\n<div>\n<h3>Table of contents for Israel Turkey  Alliance<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/gracethrufaith.com\/ikvot-hamashiach\/breaking-the-israel-turkey-alliance\/\">Breaking The Israel-Turkey  Alliance<\/span><\/li>\n<li>Breaking The Israel Turkey Alliance. Follow Up<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<p>Commentary by Jack Kelley<\/p>\n<p><em>The two kings, with their hearts bent on evil, will sit at the  same table and lie to each other, but to no avail, because an end will  still come at the appointed time.<\/em> (The Bible\u2019s definition of  diplomacy, from<strong> Daniel 11:27<\/strong>)<\/p>\n<p>Today we\u2019re returning to an area of special interest to me. I think  watching prophecy being fulfilled in current events really brings the  Bible to life.  It energizes our faith and demonstrates the nearness of  End Times events. Few if any recent generations could sit with a Bible  in one hand and their newspapers in the other and see the fulfillment of  prophecy, but for us it\u2019s almost routine.<\/p>\n<p>Beginning the day after I posted part 1 of this commentary, several  developing stories revealed there\u2019s much more to the story.  First the  world learned of joint training exercises Turkey has agreed to hold with  Syria.  On Monday April 27,  Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak  commented that Turkey\u2019s decision to hold three days of military  maneuvers with Syria is \u201cdisturbing.\u201d  Never before has an important  NATO power staged a joint exercise with any Arab army.<\/p>\n<p>And that\u2019s not all. Turkish defense minister Vecdi Gonul and his  Syrian counterpart Hassan Turkmani have agreed to sign a letter of  intent for cooperation between their defense industries as well.   According to DEBKAfile\u2019s military sources, the signing and the exercise  are major signposts on the shrinking road of military and commercial  ties between Turkey and Israel.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore Ankara has begun defaulting on payments for military  purchases and other contracts with Israel, and is currently several  million dollars behind on defense contracts worth a total of $5 billion.  For its part, Israel has  halted construction on a new tank factory in  Turkey and is working to quickly shut down other exchanges to prevent  the leakage of military secrets to an avowed Arab enemy.<\/p>\n<p>Conventional wisdom has long held that Turkey\u2019s west-leaning secular  army was the real power behind the government and only tolerated the  installation of Islamic leaders as long as they didn\u2019t try to rock the  boat.  In the past they\u2019ve shut down political parties whose goals were  perceived to be at odds with their political strategy.  (Turkey is a  NATO member and has undertaken extreme measures to be seen as a European  Country, trying for years to qualify for membership in the EU.)   Therefore Israel\u2019s defense and foreign ministries have maintained the  view that the presence of a pro-Islamic government in Ankara would not  detract from the long-held ties of cooperation and trust between Turkey  and Israel.<\/p>\n<p>DEBKAfile\u2019s intelligence sources report they\u2019ve misread the signals.  The Turkish military is no longer the body it once was. The generals of  today are in harmony with Prime Minister Erdogan\u2019s decision to turn  Turkey\u2019s back on Israel and its face toward the Moslem world.<\/p>\n<p>Washington\u2019s approval of all this underscores its new policy of  building a strong a military coalition  between Syria, Turkey and  Lebanon. In part 1 I mentioned President Obama\u2019s OK for Turkey to  provide arms and training for the Lebanese army, a force which is  already largely subservient to Hizbullah and may come under its complete  control in the upcoming Lebanese elections.<\/p>\n<p>According to Syrian sources, Turkey has tightened its relations with  Syria partly as a result of Israel\u2019s offensive on the Gaza Strip. They  claim that Turkey changed its attitude toward Israel following the  three-week war and thus decided to strengthen its military cooperation  with Syria.<\/p>\n<p>And now, Russian state arms export firm Rosoboronexport has revealed  that Russia is in talks with Turkey about selling Ankara  state-of-the-art S-400 air defense systems. Turkey is a traditional  rival of Russia, and has long bought many of its weapons from the United  States. One more sign of change.<\/p>\n<p>Also, an article in the Jewish World Review claims that having been  buoyed by President Obama\u2019s warm embrace of Turkey, PM Erdogan has moved  to consolidate his place as a central pillar in a new regional axis  spearheaded by Iran, which also includes Syria, Lebanon and the  Palestinian Authority.<\/p>\n<p>To that end, Turkey recently signed a trade agreement with Iran aimed  at doubling trade between the two countries within five years and,  again with US approval, agreed to allow Iranian gas exports into Europe  through the Nabucco gas pipeline which runs from Turkey to Austria.   Iran\u2019s access to the pipeline will earn it billions of dollars in annual  income and increase its political power as Europe becomes more   dependent on Iranian gas. (And less dependent on Russia.)<\/p>\n<p>A report by the Washington Institute indicates that Turkey is  expected to break with NATO on such issues as Iran\u2019s nuclear weapons  program as well as its proxies Hamas and Hizbullah.  It said Ankara has  moved steadily away from its NATO allies and toward Iran, Russia and  Syria, and that Turkey\u2019s new foreign policy has come at the expense of  Ankara\u2019s relations with Israel, the European Union and the United  States. \u201cAnkara will likely opt out of a NATO consensus on Iran, clash  with the United States on how to handle Hamas and Hizbullah, and  disagree with the EU and the U.S. on Russia,\u201d the report concluded.<\/p>\n<p>For the most part, this all fits very well with Ezekiel\u2019s prophecy of  a sneak attack on an unsuspecting Israel by Russia and a coalition of  Moslem countries.  Most commentators agree that Turkey has to be with  the Moslem attackers against Israel and not on the sidelines (like NATO  for example).  Therefore it\u2019s been said that strategically, Turkey is  the most important country in the Middle East.<\/p>\n<h2>It Isn\u2019t Over Till It\u2019s Over<\/h2>\n<p>Baseball great Yogi Berra\u2019s popular saying certainly is applicable  here. Preparations for Ezekiel 38 are still a long way from being  complete.  As an example of how complicated these things are becoming,  less than a week after announcing their big break through in  Turkey-Syria relations, Syria left its new found friend to team up with  Saudi Arabia and Egypt against the ongoing Turkish effort to hammer out a  peace agreement between Syria and Israel.<\/p>\n<p>Iranian President Ahmadinejad abruptly canceled a scheduled trip to  South America, hurrying to  Damascus instead.  According to DEBKAfile\u2019s  intelligence sources, one reason for his urgent visit  was to thwart the  Saudi-Egyptian move to snatch the Syrian-Israeli peace talks backed by  Washington away from Turkey and relocate it in the Jordanian capital,  Amman.<\/p>\n<p>But he was too late. Syrian President Assad had already appointed one  of his most trusted intelligence officers, Gen. Bahjat Suleiman (the  Syrian ambassador in Amman) to the position of heading his government\u2019s  side in prospective peace talks there.<\/p>\n<p>Egypt and Saudi Arabia are solidly backed by the Persian Gulf  emirates as well as Jordan in the move to cut Turkish PM Erdogan out and  \u201cArabize\u201d Middle East peacemaking. So Erdogan was left holding an empty  bag after he turned against Israel and lined up with Syria and Iran.<\/p>\n<p>(The combined Arab step also dealt a reverse to President Obama\u2019s  Middle East plans.  Observers say he planned to use a substantially more  forceful approach toward Israel as a bargaining chip in his Middle East  strategy.   Strengthening Syria, Turkey and Lebanon was part of the  plan to force Israel\u2019s compliance.  He also hoped he could entice Iran  into helping with the mess in Pakistan and Afghanistan by showing he was  being tough on Israel while opening a dialog with Tehran.  At the same  time he warned Israel that unless they get back in line behind the 2  state solution with the Palestinians, they couldn\u2019t expect any help  curtailing Iran\u2019s nuclear aspirations.)<\/p>\n<p>You see, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the Persian Gulf Emirates and  Jordan are all members of the Arab League.  Turkey and Iran, although  Moslem, are not members and are not considered Arabic countries.  The  Arabic countries of the Middle East are deathly afraid of Iran.  They  also suspect that Turkey\u2019s Erdogan has visions of re-creating the  Ottoman Empire (of which several of their countries were once part) with  him at its head.<\/p>\n<p>President Obama\u2019s recently begun dialog with these two non-Arab  countries has left them feeling very insecure, so much so that two high  ranking US diplomatic missions, the first headed by Asst. Sec\u2019y of State  Dennis Ross and the second by Sec\u2019y of Defense Robert Gates, were  hastily dispatched to the region to reassure them.  Apparently they  weren\u2019t successful because Arab leaders were still upset when a 3rd US  delegation showed up unannounced to suggest that they should invest  several hundred billion dollars in the US economic recovery plan.  The  delegation came away empty handed  and the Arabs are still angry,  warning that any further US gestures towards those two radical regimes  would place US ties with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Gulf in grave  jeopardy.<\/p>\n<p>In response to all this  President Obama, in a sharp reversal, has  decided to punish Syria for abandoning Turkey by asking the Congress to  re-impose sanctions.  He\u2019s also backed away from his flirtation with  Tehran and Damascus, and has scheduled a second major speech to the  Arab\/Moslem world, this time from Cairo.  (This may be due in part to  the fact that he really needs the Arab money.  The delegation was  instructed to tell the Arabs that Fed chairman Bernanke\u2019s recent  optimistic report on the US economy\u2019s impending recovery was  \u201cpremature\u201d.)<\/p>\n<p>In summary,  anyone who thinks he or she sees a straight line from  here to <strong>Ezekiel 38<\/strong> simply doesn\u2019t understand the  dynamics. Since the 1970\u2019s otherwise competent observers have been  saying that <strong>Ezekiel 38<\/strong> is right around the corner and  indeed the world has come close several times.  But always at the last  moment someone or something has intervened to cause a delay because all  the pieces are not yet in place.  For example, the disposition of  Israel\u2019s next door neighbors,  Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the  PLO  must still be determined, because all are missing from Ezekiel\u2019s  list of attackers.  And Israel has to come up with the treasure  sufficient to motivate Russia\u2019s participation while being lulled by a  perception of peace into thinking they\u2019re safe from attack. (<strong>Ezek  38:11<\/strong>)<\/p>\n<p>Even so, breaking the Israel-Turkey alliance is a major step in bring  the moslem coalition of <strong>Ezekiel 38<\/strong> together.  You can  almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.  05-09-09<\/p>\n<p>Tags: Current Events, Prophecy<\/p>\n<h3>Related Posts:<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>Let\u2019s Talk Turkey, Revisited<\/li>\n<li>More On The Turkey-Israel  Alliance<\/li>\n<li>Gog-Magog Next Or Isaiah 17?<\/li>\n<li>Sequence Of Mid East Events<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"removed_link\" title=\"http:\/\/gracethrufaith.com\/selah\/prophecy\/wars-and-rumors-of-war\/\">Wars And Rumors Of War<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Michael G. Mickey (1-14-09) We know it has to happen. In fact I&#8217;ve been writing that it&#8217;s going to happen for a long time. What am I referring to? 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