{"id":18797,"date":"2010-05-02T04:46:47","date_gmt":"2010-05-02T02:46:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.turkishforum.com.tr\/en\/content\/?p=18797"},"modified":"2023-07-26T10:54:47","modified_gmt":"2023-07-26T07:54:47","slug":"historian-wins-court-case-against-armenian-genocide","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/2010\/05\/02\/historian-wins-court-case-against-armenian-genocide\/","title":{"rendered":"Historian wins court case against \u2018Armenian genocide\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"
\n
29Apr10<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

\n
<\/strong><\/div>\n
\n

\u2018French Researcher Maxime Gauin\u2019s letter as a response to the Washington Post article by Prof. Henry Barkey; \u2018The Armenian genocide resolution is a farce all around\u2019<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n

<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

\n

<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Fransa\u2019da \u00f6nemli bir hukuk sava\u015f\u0131 kazan\u0131ld\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/span><\/h1>\n

28 Nisan 2010 \u00c7ar\u015famba<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ermeni tezleri \u00e7izgisi d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda 1915 olaylar\u0131 hakk\u0131nda de\u011fi\u015fik d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncelerin konu\u015fulmas\u0131na ve tart\u0131\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131na \u201cgizli 301\u201d ile pek m\u00fcsaade etmeyen Fransa\u2019da \u00f6nemli bir hukuk sava\u015f\u0131 kazan\u0131ld\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrk kelimesine bile tahamm\u00fcl edemeyen ve 30 seneyi a\u015fk\u0131n s\u00fcredir istedi\u011fini s\u00f6yleyen, 1915 olaylar\u0131n\u0131 2. d\u00fcnya sava\u015f\u0131nda Yahudilerin ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 soyk\u0131r\u0131m ile kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131rabilen Ermeni diasporas\u0131 bu sefer sert kayaya \u00e7arpt\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\n

23 ya\u015f\u0131ndaki Frans\u0131z gen\u00e7 tarih\u00e7i Maxime Gauin\u2019a bir internet sitesinde 1915 olaylar\u0131nda ger\u00e7ekleri anlatmak i\u00e7in yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 yaz\u0131 y\u00fcz\u00fcnden \u201cnazi\u201d, \u201cYahudileri \u00f6l\u00fcm kamplar\u0131na g\u00f6ndermek i\u00e7in toplayan Frans\u0131z milisi\u201d ve gene sadece Yahudi soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 i\u00e7in kullan\u0131labilen ve Frans\u0131z hukukuna g\u00f6re su\u00e7 say\u0131lan \u201cinkarc\u0131\u201d benzetmesini yapan Fransa\u2019n\u0131n Lyon \u015fehri Villeurbanne banliy\u00f6s\u00fc belediye meclis \u00fcyesi ve Villeurbanne Da\u015fnaksutyun ile Federation revolutionnaire Arm\u00e9nienne (Ermeni devrimci federasyonu) b\u00f6lge y\u00f6neticisi Movses Ni\u015fanyan, yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 benzetme ve hakaretler y\u00fcz\u00fcnden Lyon mahkemesi taraf\u0131ndan 500 euro para cezas\u0131na \u00e7arpt\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Gen\u00e7 tarih\u00e7i Maxime Gauin, Movses Ni\u015fanyan\u2019a Lyon ceza mahkemesi nezninde hakaret davas\u0131 a\u00e7m\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ancak ilk duru\u015fma karar\u0131 verilirken teknik bir hatay\u0131 gerek\u00e7e olarak kullanarak Movses Ni\u015fanyan\u2019a bir ceza vermek istemeyen mahkeme heyeti, buna benzer bir konuda daha \u00f6nce mahkemeler taraf\u0131ndan karar verildi\u011fi yolunda yap\u0131lan ikazlar sonucu karar a\u015famas\u0131n\u0131 bug\u00fcne b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Fransa\u2019da ge\u00e7erli olan kanunlar \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, Lyon ceza mahkemesi Movses Ni\u015fanyan\u2019\u0131 Maxime Gauin\u2019a 500 euro tazminat vermeye mahkum etti.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Verilen bu tarihi karar Fransa\u2019da bir \u201cilk\u201d olu\u015fturuyor, \u00e7ok kolay bir \u015fekilde T\u00fcrklere nazi benzetmesi yapan Ermeni diasporas\u0131 ilk defa bu benzetmeleri y\u00fcz\u00fcnden mahkum edildi, bu sayede Fransa\u2019da bulunan T\u00fcrk derneklerine de, \u201cinkarc\u0131\u201d, \u201cnazi\u201d gibi hakarete u\u011framalar\u0131 durumunda mahkemede dava etme yolu a\u00e7\u0131lm\u0131\u015f oldu.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Engin Akg\u00fcrb\u00fcz\/ LYON, (DHA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

=======================================================================
\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

<\/strong><\/div>\n

\u2018French Researcher Maxime Gauin\u2019s letter as a response to the Washington Post article by Prof. Henry Barkey; \u2018The Armenian genocide resolution is a farce all around\u2019<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/h2>\n
\u201cMister Barkey,<\/div>\n
\n

Your article \u201cThe Armenian Genocide Resolution is a Farce all Around\u201d (https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2010\/03\/02\/AR2010030202375.html?waporef=obinsite<\/strong>) is an interesting and iconoclast analysis; unfortunately, among the pertinent remarks, there is this big error:<\/p>\n

\u201cTo be clear, the overwhelming historical evidence demonstrates that what took place in 1915 was genocide.\u201d<\/p>\n

1. Many respectable historians criticize the \u201cgenocide\u201d label<\/strong>, including Roderic H. Davison, Gwynne Dyer, Edward J. Erickson, Michael M. Gunter, Paul B. Henze, J. C. Hurewitz, Yitzchak Kerem, Bernard Lewis, Guenter Lewy, Heath Lowry, Justin McCarthy, Andrew Mango, Robert Mantran, Jeremy Salt, Stanford J. Shaw, Norman Stone, Gilles Veinstein and Robert F. Zeidner.<\/p>\n

2. There is simply no evidence of a genocide intent.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2014 Gwynne Dyer demonstrated as early as 1973 that Mevlanzade Rifat\u2019s book is a crude falsification, and even Yves Ternon, strongly favorable to Armenian nationalists, considers this work as more than dubtious.<\/p>\n

\u2014 The \u201cAndonian documents\u201d were proved to be forgeries, more than twenty-five years ago: <\/strong> Christopher Walker, who believed in 1980 to the authenticity of \u201cAndonian documents\u201d suppressed almost all references to this material in the second edition of his book (Armenia<\/em>. The Survival of a Nation<\/em>, London, Routledge, 1990), then wrote in an article that \u201cdoubt must remain until and unless the documents or similar ones themselves resurface and are published in a critical edition\u201d (\u201cWorld War I and the Armenian Genocide\u201d, <\/em>in Richard G. Hovannisian, [ed.], The Armenian People from Ancient to Modern Time<\/em>, New York, St Martin\u2019s Press, 1997, p. 247). Absolutely no effort in this sense was made since 1997: it is perhaps the best evidence that Andonian material is nothing but a forgery.<\/p>\n

\u2014 The \u201cTen Commandments\u201d are a another forgery. As early as 1973 Gwynne Dyer demonstrated that the authenticity is highly questionable. More recently, even the strongly pro-Armenian historian Donald Bloxham noticed (\u201cDonald Bloxham replies\u201d, History Today<\/em>, July 2005, Vol. 55, Issue 7) :\u00a0 \u201cMost serious historians accept that this document is dubious at best, and probably a fake. It was the subject of controversy some twenty years before Dadrian rediscovered it for publication in 1993. The document\u2019s donor originally offered it for sale to the British authorities in February 1919, a time when numerous fraudulent documents were in circulation.\u201d<\/p>\n

The late Stanford J. Shaw, former professor of Turkish history at Harvard, University of California-Los Angeles and Bilkent noticed: \u201cThe British and French authorities to who they had been handed pointed out that they were at complete variance with Ottoman style and vocabulary and were obvious forgeries, as a result never using them in courts of law\u201d (From Empire to Republic. The Turkish War of National Liberation. 1918-1923<\/em>, Ankara, 2000, tome I, p. 316). Similarly, British historian Jeremy Salt, considers that the text is \u201ccertainly a fake\u201d (<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

\u2014 Ambassador Morgenthau\u2019s story<\/em>, which was not considered as a reliable source by actual American specialists like George Abel Schreiner and Horace C. Peterson, is refuted even by the personal archives of Morgenthau himself. See Ralph Elliot Cook, The United States and the Armenian Question, 1894-1924<\/em>, Ph.D. dissertation, Flertcher School of Law and Diplomacy, 1957, p. 129; Heath Lowry, The Story Behind \u201cAmbassador Morgenthau\u2019s Story\u201d<\/em>, Istanbul, The Isis Press, 1990 (available online: http:\/\/www.eraren.org\/index.php?Lisan=en&Page=YayinIcerik&SayiNo=19<\/strong>) and Guenter Lewy, The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey<\/em>, Salt Lake City, University of Utah Press, 2005, pp. 140-142.<\/p>\n

\u2014 The Special Organization was accused by Arthur Beylerian, V. Dadrian and Taner Ak\u00e7am to be a key of \u201cracial extermination\u201d, but only in using falsified quotations and in neglecting the archival material of this organization, as demonstrated by Guenter Lewy and Edward J. Erickson: https:\/\/www.meforum.org\/748\/revisiting-the-armenian-genocide<\/strong> https:\/\/www.meforum.org\/991\/armenian-massacres-new-records-undercut-old-blame<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2014 The Turkish martial-courts of 1919-1920 violated all the basic rights of defense, and all their original material is lost, as explained by Guenter Lewy in his article and his mentioned before. See also Ferudun Ata, \u0130\u015fgal \u0130stanbul\u2019unda Tehcir Yarg\u0131lamalar\u0131<\/em> (\u201cThe Istanbul Trials of Relocation\u201d), Ankara, TTK, 2005.<\/p>\n

3. It is not true that Western sources support mostly the \u201cgenocide\u201d allegations.<\/strong><\/p>\n

US journalist George Abel Schreiner, who traveled extensively in Anatolia, wrote that \u201cTurkish ineptness, more than intentional brutality, was responsible for the hardships the Armenian subjected to\u201d (The Craft Sinister: A Diplomatic History of the Great War and Its Causes<\/em>, New York, G. Albert, 1920, pp. 124-125).<\/p>\n

Swedish journalist G. H. Pravitz published an account of his trip in Eastern Anatolia then in Arab provinces, in his newspaper Nya Dagligt Allehanda<\/em>, April 23, 1917. He concluded that there was no campaign of extermination and that all the allegations of massacres which he checked were false (http:\/\/www.tallarmeniantale.com\/swedish-eyewitness.htm<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

Heinrich Bergfeld, German consul in Trebizond, who served eight years in Turkey and spoke Turkish, checked rumors of \u201cmassacre\u201d in his region, together with the US consul Oscar Heizer, on July 17, 1915: they concluded that the rumors were baseless; in other occasions, Bergfeld denounced crimes against other convoys of displaced Armenian, who indeed occurred this time (Guenter Lewy, op. cit., pp. 145-146).<\/p>\n

William Peet, the American head of international Armenian relief effort in Istanbul, recalled that Talat Pasha \u201cgave prompt attention to my requests, frequently greeting me as I called upon him in his office with the introductory remark: \u2018We are partners, what can I do for you today?\u2019\u201d (Louise Jenison Peet, No Less Honor: The Biography of William Wheelock Peet<\/em>, Chattanooga, E. A. Andrews, 1939, p. 170).<\/p>\n

H. Philips, diplomat serving in US embassy of Istanbul, sent on September 1st<\/sup>, 1916, a report concluding that atrocities were committed by local officials, without orders from central government (Guenter Lewy, op. cit., p. 231).<\/p>\n

Otto Liman von Sanders, chief of German military mission in Ottoman Empire, and not exactly a Turkophile, explained that \u201cIn the execution of expulsions many of the terrible and damnable cases of ruthlessness may unquestionably be ascribed to the minor official whose personal hatred and rapacity gave the measures ordered from above enhancement of harshness that was not intended [by Ottoman government]\u201d (Five Years in Turkey<\/em>, Annapolis, U.S. Naval Institute, 1927, p. 157; translated from German by Carl Reichmann).<\/p>\n

The report of General Harbord, approved by US Senate in 1920, does not mention any \u201cextermination campaign\u201d but war crimes from both sides (see the full text online: https:\/\/armenians-1915.blogspot.com\/2009\/04\/2813-conditions-in-near-east-report-of.html<\/strong>). The report of Emory Niles and Arthur Sutherland supports the same conclusion, with more details (<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

Moreover, the compilation of German documents published by Johannes Lepsius in 1919 was proved to be not only selective, but also full of dishonest ellipses and even containing pure and simple manipulations of texts, as a systematic comparison between the originals of German archives and the published version demonstrates (Cem \u00d6zg\u00f6n\u00fcl, Der Mythos Eines V\u00f6lkermordes<\/em>, Cologne, \u00d6nel Verlag, 2005).<\/p>\n

4. The \u201cgenocide recognitions\u201d forget the crimes committed by Armenian nationalists.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2014 The crimes committed against the Armenian population herself.<\/em><\/p>\n

Armenian Revolutionary Federation and Hunchakian Party killed many decent Armenians, who were loyal to Ottoman Empire, or at least, denounced the methods of gangsters used by revolutionary committees, including the Armenian chief of Ottoman police in Bitlis, assassinated in 1898, and the mayor of Van Bedros Kapamajian, assassinated in 1912 (see, among others: Kapriel S. Papazian, Patriotism Perverted<\/em>, Boston, Baikar Press, 1934, pp. 13-18 and pp. 68-73; Justin McCarthy, \u201cThe Armenian Uprising and the Ottomans\u201d<\/strong>, Review of Armenian Studies<\/em>, 7-8, 2005).<\/p>\n

The Armenian revolutionary committees claimed their responsibility in the massacres of Armenians of WWI, explaining that they organized insurrections and recruitment of volunteers for Russian an French army in guessing perfectly the tragic consequence (Gareguine Pasdermadjian, Why Armenia Should Be Free<\/em>, Boston, Hairenik Press, 1918, p. 43; Aram Turabian, Les Volontaires arm\u00e9niens sous les drapeaux fran\u00e7ais<\/em>, Marseille, Imprimerie nouvelle, 1917, pp. 41-42).<\/p>\n

\u2014 Then, the great massacres of Muslim and Jewish civilians.<\/em><\/p>\n

Haig Shiroyan, an Ottoman Armenian who became an US citizens, wrote in his Memories: \u201cThe Russian victorious armies, reinforced by Armenian volunteers, had slaughtered every Turk they could find, destroyed every house they penetrated\u201d (Smiling Through the Tears<\/em>, New York, 1954, p. 186). Niles and Sutherland, in their report mentioned before, noticed: \u201cArmenians massacred Musulmans on a large scale with many refinements of cruelties\u201d and that \u201cArmenians are responsible for most of the destruction done to towns and villages\u201d.<\/p>\n

Ottoman archives are full of first-hand accounts about atrocities committed by Armenian volunteers, including burning of babies, cutting of women\u2019s breast, etc.; many documents were translated into Western languages: https:\/\/louisville.edu\/a-s\/history\/turks\/Documents2.pdf<\/strong> <\/strong><\/span> https:\/\/louisville.edu\/a-s\/history\/turks\/turcs_et_armeniens.pdf<\/strong> Archeological excavations, carried out in Eastern Anatolia thanks to documents and very old survivors, discovered several thousands of skeletons, from 1986 to 2003, identified thanks to specific clothes, small Korans, bullets, and, for the last mass graves, thanks to DNA tests.<\/p>\n

\u2014 Finally, the Armenian terrorism <\/em>which supported the \u201crecognition movement\u201d \u2014 and was supported by ARF, Hunchak and some personalities of Ramkavar\/AGBU. Armenian terrorists killed at least 70 persons, wounded more than 500, and perpetrating 160 attacks by explosives.<\/p>\n

One of the Armenian terrorist groups was simply a branch of ARF (Francis P. Hyland, Armenian Terrorism: the Past, the Present, the Prospects<\/em>, Boulder-San Francisco-Oxford, Westview Press, 1991, pp. 61-62; Ga\u00efdz Minassian, Guerre et terrorisme arm\u00e9niens<\/em>, Paris, Presses universitaires de France, 2002, pp. 28-37 and 106-109; Yves Ternon, La Cause arm\u00e9nienne<\/em>, Paris, Le Seuil, 1983, pp. 218-224). ARF of Californian and elsewhere celebrates the racist murderer Hampig Sassounian, sentenced to life by Californian justice, currently in a Californian jail (among many other examples: www.asbarez.com\/45716\/sassounian-thanks-community-for-continued-support\/<\/strong><\/span> www.asbarez.com\/46446\/more-than-70-000-raised-for-hampig-sassounian-defense-effort\/<\/strong><\/span> www.fra-france.com\/print_article.php?id=56<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

Mourad Topalian, one of the most active Armenian American lobbyists, former president of Armenian National Committee of America, was sentenced in 2001 to 37 months of jail for illegal storing of war weapons and explosives, linked to a terrorist organization. Vicken Hovsepian, principal leader of ARF in USA, was sentenced in 1984 to six years of jail for participation to an attempt of bombing.<\/p>\n

Who recalled the terrorist past activities of these peoples during the debate about \u201cgenocide\u201d resolution?<\/p>\n

In hoping to read more balanced accounts of WWI and Armenian terrorism in your articles,<\/p>\n

Regards,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Maxime Gauin,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Paris\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n

\n
\n

_______________________________________________________<\/h1>\n

WASHINGTON POST<\/h1>\n

The Armenian genocide resolution is a farce all around<\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n

(https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2010\/03\/02\/AR2010030202375.html?waporef=obinsite<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

_______________________________________<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

29Apr10 \u2018French Researcher Maxime Gauin\u2019s letter as a response to the Washington Post article by Prof. Henry Barkey; \u2018The Armenian genocide resolution is a farce all around\u2019. Fransa\u2019da \u00f6nemli bir hukuk sava\u015f\u0131 kazan\u0131ld\u0131. 28 Nisan 2010 \u00c7ar\u015famba Ermeni tezleri \u00e7izgisi d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda 1915 olaylar\u0131 hakk\u0131nda de\u011fi\u015fik d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncelerin konu\u015fulmas\u0131na ve tart\u0131\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131na \u201cgizli 301\u201d ile pek m\u00fcsaade etmeyen […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":83,"featured_media":107015,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18797","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-armenian-question"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18797","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/83"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=18797"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18797\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/107015"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=18797"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=18797"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=18797"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}