{"id":17490,"date":"2010-03-09T10:05:37","date_gmt":"2010-03-09T08:05:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.turkishforum.com.tr\/en\/content\/?p=17490"},"modified":"2023-04-07T08:41:14","modified_gmt":"2023-04-07T05:41:14","slug":"bad-things-happen-when-empires-fall-apart-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/2010\/03\/09\/bad-things-happen-when-empires-fall-apart-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Bad things happen when empires fall apart"},"content":{"rendered":"<h4>Harking back to Armenia in 1915 will only drive modern Turkey into China\u2019s arms<\/h4>\n<p><em>Norman Stone<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The best thing said about the Armenian tragedy was a sermon delivered in  the  main church in Constantinople in 1894, more than 20 years before it  happened. Patriarch Ashikyan had this to say: \u201cWe have lived with the  Turks  for a thousand years, have greatly flourished, are nowhere in this  empire in  a majority of the population. If the nationalists go on like this [they  had  started a terrorist campaign] they will ruin the nation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That Patriarch was quite right, and the nationalists shot him (and many  other  notables who were saying the same thing).<\/p>\n<p>Now a US Congressional committee has had its say, by voting to recognise  as  \u201cgenocide\u201d the mass killing of Armenians by Turkish forces that began in   1915, during the First World War.<\/p>\n<p>Is the committee right? When the First World War broke out there were  Armenian  uprisings and the Patriarch\u2019s fears were realised. The population in  much of  the territory of today\u2019s Turkey was deported in cruel circumstances that  led  to much murder and pillage.<\/p>\n<p><!--#include file=\"m63-article-related-attachements.html\"-->But genocide? No, if by that you mean the sort of thing Hitler did. The  Armenian leader was offered a job in the government in October 1914 to  sort  things out (he refused on the ground that his Turkish was not up to it).  The  Turks themselves put 1,600 men on trial for what had happened and  executed a  governor. The British had the run of the Turkish archives for four years   after 1918 and failed to find incriminating documents. Armenians in the  main  cities were not touched. Documents did indeed turn up in 1920, but they  turned out to be preposterous forgeries, written on the stationery of a  French school.<\/p>\n<p>You cannot really describe this as genocide. Horrors, of course,  happened but  these same horrors were visited upon millions of Muslims (and Jews) as  the  Ottoman Empire receded in the Caucasus and the Balkans. Half of its  urban  population came from those regions and, in many cases, the disasters of  their families occurred at Armenian hands.<\/p>\n<p>Diasporas jump up and down in the politics of the United States \u2014 as an  American friend says of them, when they cross the Atlantic, they do not  change country, they change planet.<\/p>\n<p><em>Braveheart<\/em> is, for the Scottish me, a dreadful embarrassment. I  have to  explain to Kurdish taxi drivers that the whole film is wicked tosh that  just  causes idiots in Edinburgh to paint their faces and to hate the English,   whereas there cannot be a single family in Scotland that does not have  cousins in England.<\/p>\n<p>But what will be the effect of the resolution in Turkey? The answer is  that it  will be entirely counterproductive. Yes, the end of the Ottoman Empire  was a  terrible time, as the end of empires generally are: take the Punjab in  1947,  for instance.<\/p>\n<p>Disease, starvation and massacre carried off a third of the population  of  eastern Turkey, regardless of their origin. But of all the states that  succeeded the Ottoman Empire, Turkey is by far the most successful; you  just  have to look at its vital statistics to see as much, starting with male  life  expectancy which not so long ago was a decade longer than Russia\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p>Turkey is in the unusual position of doing rather well. She has survived  the  financial mess, her banks having had a drubbing some years before, and  exports are humming. The Turks are not quite used to this, and this  shows  with the present Government, which (as the Prime Minister\u2019s unfortunate  anti-Israeli outburst at Davos a year ago showed) can on occasion be  triumphalist.<\/p>\n<p>This Government has been remarkably successful, not least in getting rid  of  the preposterous currency inflation that made tourists laugh, but it  should  not be allowed to forget the bases of Turkey\u2019s emergence: the strength  of  the Western connection, the link with the IMF, the presence in the West  of  tens of thousands of Turkish students, many of them very able.<\/p>\n<p>However, every Turk knows that, during the First World War, horrible  things  happened, and for Congress to single out the Armenians is regarded in  Turkey  simply as an insult.<\/p>\n<p>The Turkish media is full of tales about the resolution, and there has  been a  great deal of dark muttering about it. There are Turks who agree that  the  killings amounted to genocide, and there has been an uncomfortable book,   Fuat Dundar\u2019s <em>The Code of Modern Turkey<\/em>, as some of the  government at the time did indeed think of ethnic homogeneity (though  not  the killing of children).<\/p>\n<p>But the dominant tone is more or less of contempt: who are these people,  to  orate about events a century ago in a country that most of them could  not  find on the map? It all joins with resentment at US doings in Iraq, and  in  the popular mind gets confused with the Swiss vote against minarets or  Europe\u2019s ridiculous admission of Greek Cyprus to their Union.<\/p>\n<p>In practice the Turks are being alienated, and will be encouraged to  think  that the West is doing another version of the Crusades, that \u201cthe only  friend of the Turk is the Turk\u201d, and other nationalist nonsense of a  similar  sort. Nowadays Turkey does not need the Western link as before: trade  and  investment have been switching towards Russia and Central Asia; the  Chinese  are quite active in Ankara. Is that what we want to achieve, in a  country  that is otherwise the best advertisement for the West that anyone could  have  imagined back in 1950?<\/p>\n<p><em>Norman Stone is Professor Emeritus of Modern History at the  University of  Oxford and head of the Russian-Turkish Institute at Bilkent University,  Ankara<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Source :\u00a0 <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Harking back to Armenia in 1915 will only drive modern Turkey into China\u2019s arms Norman Stone The best thing said about the Armenian tragedy was a sermon delivered in the main church in Constantinople in 1894, more than 20 years before it happened. Patriarch Ashikyan had this to say: \u201cWe have lived with the Turks [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":83,"featured_media":774856,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-17490","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-armenian-question"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17490","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/83"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17490"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17490\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/774856"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17490"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17490"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17490"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}