{"id":16184,"date":"2009-11-25T09:05:29","date_gmt":"2009-11-25T07:05:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.turkishforum.com.tr\/en\/content\/?p=16184"},"modified":"2014-01-05T17:51:26","modified_gmt":"2014-01-05T15:51:26","slug":"besiktas-fans-reveal-united-front","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/2009\/11\/25\/besiktas-fans-reveal-united-front\/","title":{"rendered":"Besiktas fans reveal united front"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16186\" src=\"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Carsi1.jpg\" alt=\"Carsi\" width=\"466\" height=\"260\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Carsi1.jpg 466w, https:\/\/www.turkishnews.com\/en\/content\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Carsi1-300x167.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 466px) 100vw, 466px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;Football isn&#8217;t just a sport. Nowadays it&#8217;s an industry,&#8221; says Besiktas fan Ozan Ilhan ahead of his side&#8217;s clash with Manchester United on Wednesday.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>The smallest of Turkey&#8217;s &#8220;big three&#8221;, Besiktas are seen in their country as the\u00a0<em>halk takim<\/em>, the people&#8217;s team.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">The team&#8217;s fan base is traditionally more working-class and left-wing than those of rivals Galatasaray and Fenerbahce, and their supporters&#8217; club, Carsi, takes this history to heart.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Formed by six teenagers in 1980, Carsi is now a thousands-strong organisation that, unusually, marries fanaticism for the team with political causes.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Ozan is a 24-year-old student who lives in the German city of Koblenz, and works in the city&#8217;s car industry.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">He is one of the 1,000 or so Carsi members making the trip to Manchester.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;My wife cannot understand me,&#8221; he complains. &#8220;She says: &#8216;Why fly to Manchester for Besiktas? You can watch it at home on the television.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">They are coming from all over Europe &#8211; 150 from Germany, 50 from Holland, 50 from London &#8211; for a match they probably won&#8217;t win and, even if they do, has no bearing on them qualifying for the next stage.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;Carsi is like a spirit,&#8221; says Devrim Borcek, another fan from Germany.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;Those living in Istanbul are close to Besiktas. I&#8217;m living 3000km away but I have to live the same as these guys.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">But this is more than an ordinary supporters&#8217; club trip.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Carsi is a hive of activity, both at matches and away from the stadium.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">It has a changing cast of members but, for the core, the group is central to their lives.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\"><strong>Together they take part in Labour Day marches, do charity work, produce placards for matches, and even protest against government nuclear policy &#8211; or just meet up to drink and talk about football.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\"><strong>Fans are introduced to ideas like anarchism and socialism that don&#8217;t get an airing in traditional media, let alone most football stadia.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">By contrast, the fans they will encounter on Wednesday have been dubbed the &#8220;prawn sandwich brigade&#8221; for their corporate approach to supporting a team.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">So how do Carsi members feel about Manchester United fans?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Ozan respects United&#8217;s history and success, if not their fans&#8217; style of support.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;They are a good example of people who like the football industry, who like to go to the stadium, watch the match and go home,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;That&#8217;s not the culture of Besiktas. We have to scream whether we win or lose &#8211; all that matters is the atmosphere, the expectation that you are not only there but you are living it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;I cannot imagine Besiktas like Manchester. It&#8217;s not possible and I don&#8217;t want it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">But they do want to be successful. Although winners of the Turkish league last year, Besiktas are currently at the bottom of Champions League group B, yet to win a European match this season.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Those in charge need to decide whether triumph on the European stage can be achieved without diluting the club&#8217;s identity, in an age in which success increasingly depends on money.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">The club&#8217;s efforts to boost revenue have seen Carsi lose out.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Ticket prices have increased year on year, making it harder for the traditional fanbase to attend.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Seats in Carsi&#8217;s section for last Saturday&#8217;s derby against Fenerbahce cost 250 Lira (\u00a3100) &#8211; more than all but the most expensive tickets at Old Trafford.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;The three big clubs in Turkey &#8211; Besiktas, Galatasaray, Fenerbahce &#8211; their presidents don&#8217;t want these fans in the stadium,&#8221; a Turkish journalist tells me.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;Like in England, they want rich fans.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Where next for Carsi, then, if the club no longer wants them?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">The globalisation of the game has brought the group opportunities and threats in equal measure.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Some members worry its 1980s collectivist ideology doesn&#8217;t resonate with younger fans in an era of multi-million pound transfers and instant success.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">But televised games, the internet and cheap European flights have brought more people into the Carsi fold.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">Widespread publicity means the movement has become a magnet for those disenchanted with &#8220;typical&#8221; football fans, or even Turkish society in general.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">They are fighting for a vision of what it means to be a fan &#8211; an all-consuming relationship with the club that they believe is alien to most in English football.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">And so to Old Trafford, the 76,000-capacity, all-seated cathedral for the modern game.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;It will be a hard match, I think,&#8221; says Ozan.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">&#8220;Our chances aren&#8217;t good. But remember the match in 2003 against Chelsea, when nobody expected Besiktas to win. It was wonderful, so why not again?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">BBC<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 10px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 13px;margin: 0px\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Football isn&#8217;t just a sport. Nowadays it&#8217;s an industry,&#8221; says Besiktas fan Ozan Ilhan ahead of his side&#8217;s clash with Manchester United on Wednesday. The smallest of Turkey&#8217;s &#8220;big three&#8221;, Besiktas are seen in their country as the\u00a0halk takim, the people&#8217;s team. 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